When is a carb NOT a good carb....

[Alan Aragon]

With due respect to Alcoholiday's posts (most of which I agree), I disagree with Justin being non-bro. I've seen the guy tout WMS. I've also seen him tout BCAA supplementation in a bulking phase, complete with a justification that made zero sense.

[Frank.S]

He does run a supplement company if I remember correctly.. If I ran a supplement company, i may consider wazy maize more anabolic then testosterone.

[Alcoholiday]

Originally Posted by Alan Aragon

With due respect to Alcoholiday's posts (most of which I agree), I disagree with Justin being non-bro. I've seen the guy tout WMS. I've also seen him tout BCAA supplementation in a bulking phase, complete with a justification that made zero sense.

this is true, and i was actually going to preface my post by saying this. He does tout the WMS a lot, when there is very questionable studies about it.

Someone like him has to draw a fine line between promoting his supplement company and supplements without being a bro. IMO, i think he does an ok job with this, and it's nowhere near as brotastic as t-nation. Most if not all of his info is usable for the non-assisted person.

I can totally see how someone would disagree with this, with the use of other "supplements" possibly (probably?) in his regime, and his end game. But his basic diet strategies are good, as opposed to some of the other quacks (just eat protein bro and don't worry about anything else!)

[PlankIt]

Popping in to say THANK YOU for asking this question "in public"

[Espi]

Originally Posted by PlankIt

Popping in to say THANK YOU for asking this question "in public"

Seeing this thread far too late , but ditto to what PlankIt said.
Knew a lot of details already, but some things got clearer again.

BTW, a Norwegian guy called 'Blade' makes it a point that all of his female clients eat plenty fruit. The starch he prefers for carb-ups /refeeds are potatoes.. not just because of their satiety level but also due to a higher potassium level.

Something else I found helpful too

Because it's a CNS depressant, sugary carbs will actually make you feel sleepy. You may feel energized when the sugar initially reaches your blood stream, but once the insulin is produced you'll start to feel sluggish.

That's something I've been struggling with 4ever.. when to carb-up & have peri-workout carbs. Eventually I've settled on the strategy as used by endurance folks all over the world: eat the majority of carbs the night before an event (workout here) and fill up on carbs during a workout.. not before (when you're going to fall asleep due to the sedative effect of carbs) or afterwards (when you are going to do a face plant into food when depleted).

The carb I've been using predominantly during a workout is a slow-acting one.. palatinose. It doesn't raise blood sugar instantly but will keep it constant. Frequently, to make it taste more intereresting I'll add berry jams to them (preparing them in a blender to make them drinkable). This has the advantage of taste, cost & micronutrients and again is a blend of sucrose , glucose & fructose.

Straight dextrose is something I've never liked.. could just feel energy levels peak & crash within minutes. Very unsettling feeling that is..

[Simon C]

Originally Posted by Alcoholiday

let me preface this saying i really like Alan's response. i'm also not an expert on nutrition at all, but from what i've read on lyle's board, and heard aaron (cyco) talk about, carbs are carbs. Obviously some have more vitamins and minerals than others, and are differences in their breakdowns of these factors, but when it comes to body composition, it's not going to make a huge difference if you consume 27g of sugar, or 27g of oats.

Where it comes in different is when someone consumes 27g of sugar and overeats on other carb sources. 27g of carbs is much more satisfying and sustainable than a half scoop of dextrose.

http://www.thinkmuscle.com/articles/...ne-diet-02.htm

http://forums.lylemcdonald.com/showthread.php?t=3377

That sounds kinda bro-ish lol

I thought we didn't care about that shit anymore?

Originally Posted by Alan Aragon

It really is the same ballgame. Even the liver cell swelling I mentioned for anabolic/anticatabolic purposes can be accomplished w/any carb, but fructose-containing carbs happen to be more efficient at this. Meaning, table sugar will do the trick just as well as fruit. However, fruit is more nutrient-dense and better for longterm health. And it's ISN'T a fast-acting carb source that "spikes" insulin compared to most other carb sources that are popular with BBers. Whoever told you that needs to adjust their spectacles

Which is... bad right? or just unnecessary?