Calories don't matter, but fruit makes you fat

[Aoife]

huh?
Exercise isn't necessary for fatloss.

[realcdn]

No, it really isn't. I saw a post on another board yesterday that claimed the poster had lost 35 pounds in 14 days and was on track to lose 100 pounds in twelve weeks. They were drinking 7 (x100 cals) 'special liquid shakes' plus two meals of 250 cals (so 1200 cals total). Oh, and the only exercise they were doing was 2 x 1 hour walks on a treadmill at 2.5mph.

When I called bullshit on the post, a number of people said 'oh but people on the biggest loser' can lose that amount. Sigh... I sometimes think people deserve to be parted from their money. It was their first post to the board, but I'm assuming the next step would be the 'here's what I bought' pitch.

Oh, and I suppose my three daily servings of fruit are why I only lost 2 pounds this last week, right?

Actually, it's my love of fruit that keeps me away from truly low-carb diets. Although I'd be willing to bet that I could maintain or gain on unrestricted meat. However, after a couple of days I'd probably kill someone for an orange.

[kfisherx]

Originally Posted by Aoife

huh?
Exercise isn't necessary for fatloss.

Uh... no it isn't. If I locked you in a 4x4 cell and fed you nothing but water for a week, you'd lose weight despite not doing exercise.

[cycomiko]

Originally Posted by coreconcepts

It's interesting to see Brandenburg's site - completelely dismissing the growing role of ASP. Now I'm not intimately familiar with the research on ASP, but he seems pretty dismissive of it being independent of insulin.

ASP (Acylation stimulating protein) definitely does regulate body-fat, if you have more then you’ll store more fat. But, if you dig just a little deeper you’ll find this:
#1. Insulin increases ASP production 2 fold
http://www.jlr.org/…/reprint/3 8/1/1
J Lipid Res. 1997 Jan;38(1):1-11
#2. “ASP… secretion is regulated by insulin”
Arterioscler Thromb Vasc Biol. 2001 Jun;21(6):1034-9
http://atvb.ahajournals.org/…/ full/21/6/1034
So, ASP seems to be related to insulin."

Paper #1 is one of the early pieces on ASP that examined the in vitro effects of various components on ASP production. Adding insulin to the mix increaes ASP levels 2 fold as he mentions... Its nice that he avoids mentioning htat chylomicrons (the lipoprotein released from the intestines) increase ASP production 150 fold.

Paper #2 is not supporting that claim, its just referncing two papers in the Introduction.

References 8 and 9.

Reference 8 is Paper #1 and reference 9 is research from the same group, mainly examining the effect of chylomicron fragments on ASP production - but doesnt really seem to talk about insulin (but it has been some time since I looked at it).

its all fun and games until somebody actually reads your references...

[realcdn]

Originally Posted by kfisherx

Uh... no it isn't. If I locked you in a 4x4 cell and fed you nothing but water for a week, you'd lose weight despite not doing exercise.

Seriously, at some point in my life, I really figured that this was the only way I would lose weight. Kind of sad, but true.

[coreconcepts]

Originally Posted by cycomiko

Paper #1 is one of the early pieces on ASP that examined the in vitro effects of various components on ASP production. Adding insulin to the mix increaes ASP levels 2 fold as he mentions... Its nice that he avoids mentioning htat chylomicrons (the lipoprotein released from the intestines) increase ASP production 150 fold.

Paper #2 is not supporting that claim, its just referncing two papers in the Introduction.

References 8 and 9.

Reference 8 is Paper #1 and reference 9 is research from the same group, mainly examining the effect of chylomicron fragments on ASP production - but doesnt really seem to talk about insulin (but it has been some time since I looked at it).

its all fun and games until somebody actually reads your references...

Thanks for that cycomiko - I figured there was more to the story than what was presented.

[Eat Smart Age Smart]

Taubes view point is quite confusing.

No wonder North Americans are so fat ... information like this makes is so complicated to disgest for the adverage person

[suzzan]

It doesnt like that at all, calories matter a lot !
with more calories u cant loose your wait or vice versa.....
Its like proved and u cant challange that, i guess !