Put down that apple!

[Frank.S]

TESTOSTERONE NATION - The Evils of Fruit

I had an apple at lunch yesterday, what a cheat meal.

[Phaedrus49er]

[Marissa]

Mmmmmm.... apples. On my parents' farm there are at least 20 apple trees, some planted over 100 years ago. Best.Apples.Ever. One of these days (when dh and I move closer) we're going to get an apple press for cider.

But I digress.

[Erika]

Am I reading the artilce wrong - it says to avoid fructose, not apples. I don't eat the top 8 contributors or, if I do, I know it is a cheat or treat. I do eat an apple every few days, as a snack and I account for the fact that it has sugar in it.

[Frank.S]

The thing is called 'the evils of fruit', i found that the funniest part to be honest.

[Aoife]

Originally Posted by Erika

Am I reading the artilce wrong - it says to avoid fructose, not apples. I don't eat the top 8 contributors or, if I do, I know it is a cheat or treat. I do eat an apple every few days, as a snack and I account for the fact that it has sugar in it.

on page 2, if you've eliminated those first 8 things and still have issues, you start with fruit, and she lists the top offenders fruit-wise, and apples is top of the list.

I mean, you're prolly looking at trying for Really Super Lean (TM) at that point…

[Ian Kay]

The title is misleading and a little strange (considering what she actually says in the article) but before everyone jumps all over it, be sure to read the entire article thoroughly.

First of all, she's talking about the "last bit of icing off your jelly belly". So we're talking someone who is one step away from a six-pack. Right off the bat that eliminates 90% of us who will respond to this thread, either because we're not that lean yet, or because we don't care to ever be that lean.

Secondly, she makes it very clear at the end: "Once you've eliminated these major fructose-suspects, turn to your fruit intake." So she wants the person to get rid of all the OTHER sugars first, before worrying about fruit.

I'm not a nutritionist, and so I don't want to defend the basic premise outright (in fact, based on what I've read from other various/trusted sources like Hale and Aragon, I'd say that fruit is hardly worth worrying about in terms of type of calories). However, let's not twist what she says in the article to be more extreme than it is.

That said, if someone wants to pick apart the logic/science of what she actually claims, I'm all ears.

[Lisa~]

Good post Ian. I just dislike that she gave it such a sensational title; it's misleading. That's the only thing wrong with the article.

I had half an apple this morning as part of my breakfast. Apples have a lot of fiber and are good for my nutrition plan right now.

[Marissa]

I think the content of the article is excellent, as she points out that concentrated processed fructose is horrid for your body. I know I gained the vast majority of my excess weight from my Pepsi/Coke addiction.

The title is certainly misleading--I very much doubt I would have gained all that weight had I been gorging on pears and oranges rather than soda. That said, for someone looking to cut the last bit of weight or get started, eliminating all fruit for a while can be beneficial--South Beach Diet does that for the two week Phase 1 period.

[Erika]

I just don't like the feeling of being in a science class just to figure out what I should or should not do. I skimmed the first page and quit. I have too much going on to make dieting and health such a job. I did go back and read the 2nd page so I (1) figured out her point and (2) saw the cute rat photo that my daughter will love to see.

[RobLL]

Those of us who have to meter for blood sugars are old friends (enemies?) with this lesson. For most of us fruits were the last thing we took off our diet before going to insulin. Atkins took a lot of heat for saying to watch out for fruit. If careful I still can tolerate and enjoy a bite or two of apple or a small serving of berries.

[Frank.S]

found this from alan:

Originally Posted by Alan Aragon

ALL controlled research is in favor of a higher fruit intake (versus a low one) for improving body composition. Every last bit of it. Everyone ignores this research, or simply doesn't know about it. And then there's the sea of data showing the other health benefits of fruit. Fruits are nutrient-dense/calorie-sparse. They're one of the best possible foods to structure into a hypocaloric diet that doesn't involve attempts at carb elimination.

Another thing - YES fruit contributes to muscle glycogen resynthesis, since fruit typically has 50% of its sugar coming from glucose (Roland, don't forget that sucrose is 50% glucose).

Another thing - for those worried about fructose overdosing, realize the average fruit has about 8g fructose. Not that some fructose in the diet is a bad thing in the 1st place, esp from the standpoint of hepatic glycogen status & LBM preservation.

Another thing - fruit is one of the best possible foods to use in carb restriction because the servings are already pre-done, making it easy & convenient for the dieter.

I don't see what the issue is unless you specifically eat a bathtub of fruit for your binging problem.

[Chris Correia]

Originally Posted by Aoife

I mean, you're prolly looking at trying for Really Super Lean (TM) at that point…

Is that really trademarked?





Frank, good catch from Alan. I bet you eat fruit by the boatload.

[Aoife]

It is now.

lol

Damn I wish I was at the point where I'd have to worry aboot my fruit intake. *sigh*

[cycomiko]

Cassandra has had a hardon for fruit for years, based off the same old adage about fructose.

Yaaay, lets use murine models consuming 60% of their diet from fructose as examples of what can happen in humans.

Or maybe people consuming 250+g of fructose per day.

Real representative for an article talking about "the evils of fruit"

She should join up with Parrilo and have a fruit off

[GqArtguy]

Originally Posted by Ian Kay

First of all, she's talking about the "last bit of icing off your jelly belly". So we're talking someone who is one step away from a six-pack. Right off the bat that eliminates 90% of us who will respond to this thread, either because we're not that lean yet, or because we don't care to ever be that lean.

Secret: If you are one step away from a six pack, the apple is not whats going to crumble your abs.

Secondly, she makes it very clear at the end: "Once you've eliminated these major fructose-suspects, turn to your fruit intake." So she wants the person to get rid of all the OTHER sugars first, before worrying about fruit.

Yet the title is something completely different...

[Mark57]

Originally Posted by GqArtguy

Secret: If you are one step away from a six pack, the apple is not whats going to crumble your abs.

Which she makes pretty clear in the article.

Originally Posted by GqArtguy

Yet the title is something completely different...

Because if she (or the editors, which is way more likely anyway) had titled it "Another Boring Article About The Evils Of HFCS" more people would have read and commented on it.

[GqArtguy]

Originally Posted by Mark57

Which she makes pretty clear in the article.

Not according to Ian

Because if she (or the editors, which is way more likely anyway) had titled it "Another Boring Article About The Evils Of HFCS" more people would have read and commented on it.