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Old 04-15-2008, 05:30 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Good vs Bad Food: Its Time To Grow Up

After reading this I realized some of my old posts were ridiculous and should have never been asked. But you learn by your mistakes right.

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Old 04-15-2008, 08:10 PM   #2 (permalink)
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While I cant post there, I will post this here

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goat's milk cheese (hormone-free)

Goats milk is no more hormone free than goats are hormone free.
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Old 04-15-2008, 08:29 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I like how he says there's no such thing as bad food, in bold letters, then says:

"Now, make no mistake. Some foods are no good, no question. Like trans fats and other artificial foods, artificial additives, and artificial ingredients."

Uhh... so isn't he saying those are bad?

I see the point of the article. And I'm also curious how many people see peppers, 100% cocao and olives as a cheat?
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Old 04-15-2008, 10:36 PM   #4 (permalink)
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peppers, 100% (even 60%) cocoa, olives ----Staples!
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Old 04-16-2008, 07:48 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Goats milk is no more hormone free than goats are hormone free.
Most people understand that describing an animal based food product as "hormone free" means "exogenous hormone free" and that use is sanctioned by the FDA.

Aren't you being a bit pedantic here?
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Most people understand that describing an animal based food product as "hormone free" means "exogenous hormone free" and that use is sanctioned by the FDA.

Aren't you being a bit pedantic here?

If you could find the ruling from the FDA that hormone free is allowed on animals not treated with hormones, I would be happy to see it. Otherwise under the FDA webpage the only reference to Hormone free is the FDA telling companies they cannot use it, even on products WITHOUT exogenous homrones.

To quote the press release

FDA Warns Milk Producers to Remove "Hormone Free" Claims From the Labeling Of Dairy Products

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) today issued Warning Letters to four manufacturers of whole milk, reduced fat milk and ice cream, informing them that their products are misbranded because the labels contain the false statements, "No Hormones" or "Hormone Free."
"FDA is committed to assuring that consumers are provided with truthful information on product labels," said FDA Commissioner Mark McClellan, MD., Ph.D.. "FDA will continue to take strong action to protect American consumers from products with labeling that is false or misleading."
During recent inspections, FDA investigators collected labels of dairy products, including various milk and ice cream products. FDA reviewed the labels and determined that the statements "No Hormones" and "Hormone Free" are false claims, and therefore, the products are misbranded under section 403(a) of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (the Act). Under section 403(a) of the Act, a product is misbranded if any information presented on the label or labeling is false or misleading.
The Warning Letters explain that "No Hormones" and "Hormone Free" are false claims because all milk contains naturally occurring hormones, and milk can not be processed in a manner that renders it free of hormones.


Pendantic, perhaps, but correct.
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Old 04-16-2008, 06:23 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Berardi's in Canada isn't he? Maybe products can say that there.
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If you could find the ruling from the FDA that hormone free is allowed on animals not treated with hormones, I would be happy to see it. Otherwise under the FDA webpage the only reference to Hormone free is the FDA telling companies they cannot use it, even on products WITHOUT exogenous homrones.

To quote the press release

FDA Warns Milk Producers to Remove "Hormone Free" Claims From the Labeling Of Dairy Products

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) today issued Warning Letters to four manufacturers of whole milk, reduced fat milk and ice cream, informing them that their products are misbranded because the labels contain the false statements, "No Hormones" or "Hormone Free."
"FDA is committed to assuring that consumers are provided with truthful information on product labels," said FDA Commissioner Mark McClellan, MD., Ph.D.. "FDA will continue to take strong action to protect American consumers from products with labeling that is false or misleading."
During recent inspections, FDA investigators collected labels of dairy products, including various milk and ice cream products. FDA reviewed the labels and determined that the statements "No Hormones" and "Hormone Free" are false claims, and therefore, the products are misbranded under section 403(a) of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (the Act). Under section 403(a) of the Act, a product is misbranded if any information presented on the label or labeling is false or misleading.
The Warning Letters explain that "No Hormones" and "Hormone Free" are false claims because all milk contains naturally occurring hormones, and milk can not be processed in a manner that renders it free of hormones.


Pendantic, perhaps, but correct.
Fair enough. You could easily spend the rest of your life finding examples on the internet of technically incorrect statements where you and the author both fully understand that some slightly different (but less verbally economical) statement was meant. Why this statement in this article?
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Why do yo reply to my post?

Why did JB decide to post it?

Why did the chicken cross the road.

I said in my origonal post why I posted it here.
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Why do yo reply to my post?
I was curious. Most people wouldn't criticize a non-technical article for using colloquial language. Since the error wasn't particularly egregious I was wondering if your pointing it out was random or if you had something more to say.

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He seems to post a lot of information aimed at people who aren't interested in technically precise language. I assume that he hopes it will generate sales of products or services that he offers.


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I understand that. I have no doubt that you would have posted on Berardi's forum had it been possible.
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Another great article from JB. I posted the article link in one of the training logs on Monday - I should have posted it in here too. Thanks for doing that Barrett.

As with anything else, his articles are more inspirational, especially for people following his diet prescriptions, than anything else. Whether or not the goat's milk cheese was hormone-free or not is not the point of the article. He's encouraging everyone to eat whole foods, a healthy and nutrient-rich diet. Part of that is to try to be as 'organic' as possible, and he has addressed that issue at length on his forum and in his publications as well. Anyone who is familiar with his stuff understands what he means when he posts a 'cheat' meal like this (which, for JB if you've met him, IS a cheat meal!)
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If you could find the ruling from the FDA that hormone free is allowed on animals not treated with hormones, I would be happy to see it. Otherwise under the FDA webpage the only reference to Hormone free is the FDA telling companies they cannot use it, even on products WITHOUT exogenous homrones.

To quote the press release

FDA Warns Milk Producers to Remove "Hormone Free" Claims From the Labeling Of Dairy Products

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) today issued Warning Letters to four manufacturers of whole milk, reduced fat milk and ice cream, informing them that their products are misbranded because the labels contain the false statements, "No Hormones" or "Hormone Free."
"FDA is committed to assuring that consumers are provided with truthful information on product labels," said FDA Commissioner Mark McClellan, MD., Ph.D.. "FDA will continue to take strong action to protect American consumers from products with labeling that is false or misleading."
During recent inspections, FDA investigators collected labels of dairy products, including various milk and ice cream products. FDA reviewed the labels and determined that the statements "No Hormones" and "Hormone Free" are false claims, and therefore, the products are misbranded under section 403(a) of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (the Act). Under section 403(a) of the Act, a product is misbranded if any information presented on the label or labeling is false or misleading.
The Warning Letters explain that "No Hormones" and "Hormone Free" are false claims because all milk contains naturally occurring hormones, and milk can not be processed in a manner that renders it free of hormones.


Pendantic, perhaps, but correct.

Having "hormone free" on a label and saying it in the text of an article are two different things. I
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PerfectMartini brought up the FDA, I was just replying.
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As with anything else, his articles are more inspirational, especially for people following his diet prescriptions, than anything else. Whether or not the goat's milk cheese was hormone-free or not is not the point of the article. He's encouraging everyone to eat whole foods, a healthy and nutrient-rich diet.
I know it wasnt the main point. I didnt even bother to point out the entertaining aspect of saying we shouldnt look at things as good or bad, but then create a though structure that relegates some as healthy, and some as not.
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