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Men who ate the most eggs also were older, fatter, ate more vegetables but less breakfast cereal, and were more likely to drink alcohol, smoke and less likely to exercise — all factors that can affect the risk of heart attack and death.
Here are my headlines.
Eating more vegetables linked to greater risk of heart attack and death.
Eating less breakfast cereal linked to greater risk of heart attack and death.
Being older is linked to greater risk of heart attack and death.
Correlational research is way different than causational research (done with controlled intervention). Then look at the population studied, look at their state of health/disease. This data doesn't worry me.
It's enough for me keeping up with eating 6 times a day (though that does seem to be helping). Arranging it to cut out the hard boiled eggs - I'll just make sure I keep it to under 7 a week. ; )
Correlational research is way different than causational research (done with controlled intervention). Then look at the population studied, look at their state of health/disease. This data doesn't worry me.
As a statistician, I completely agree. All of these stupid studies NEVER establish cause and effect.
I hate watching these stupid news programs, that have these moronic taglines, like, "does drinking diet soda make you fatter." No, it doesn't. But people who have poor eating habits, may tend to drink more diet soda. The soda was never the problem.
As a statistician, I completely agree. All of these stupid studies NEVER establish cause and effect.
I hate watching these stupid news programs, that have these moronic taglines, like, "does drinking diet soda make you fatter." No, it doesn't. But people who have poor eating habits, may tend to drink more diet soda. The soda was never the problem.
I think it's the same thing here.
You people who bring logic into it...well that just isn't fair in today's world!!
As a statistician, I completely agree. All of these stupid studies NEVER establish cause and effect.
I hate watching these stupid news programs, that have these moronic taglines, like, "does drinking diet soda make you fatter." No, it doesn't. But people who have poor eating habits, may tend to drink more diet soda. The soda was never the problem.
I think it's the same thing here.
2 comments on what you said:
1. Remember, the diet soda study was on rats, not humans. The rats weren't given a choice of drinking soda. It wasn't a case of fat rats with poor eating habits thinking they'd get thinner just by choosing diet soda; they were given the diet soda by the researchers.
2. Generally, statistical studies establish correlation, not cause and effect. However, they can certainly point to (not prove) cause and effect, particularly if "event 1" precedes "event 2" in time. On the other hand, for example, if A causes B and C, and if B generally happens before C, and if you did a study looking at B and C, you might be tempted to conclude that B causes C. Uncontestable proofs are hard to come by -- we usually have to make choices based on information and research that is inherently limited.
In any case, if I were, for example, a smoker in the 50's or whenever the first studies came out that showed an association between smoking and lung cancer, I could either (a) be concerned, and make a point of watching for further information, and maybe even decide to quit based on a possible cause and effect relationship even though not yet proven (at the time), or (b) be defiantly dismissive because cause and effect has not been proven.
Of course, in the case of eggs, I already do know other information, such as that they have protein, which I need, that they don't raise blood cholesterol levels, which I've been told I don't want, and that they are correlated with lower incidence of breast cancer (just read that news last week, I think).
2 comments on what you said:
Of course, in the case of eggs, I already do know other information, such as that they have protein, which I need, that they don't raise blood cholesterol levels, which I've been told I don't want, and that they are correlated with lower incidence of breast cancer (just read that news last week, I think).
You had me at "eggs save boobies". Some things are worth dying for.
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1. Remember, the diet soda study was on rats, not humans. The rats weren't given a choice of drinking soda. It wasn't a case of fat rats with poor eating habits thinking they'd get thinner just by choosing diet soda; they were given the diet soda by the researchers.
Regardless, while it is valid to say, you shouldn't dismiss correlation, such as between smoking and lung cancer, my point really was, there are so many studies saying this is linked to that, where do you draw the line? If you played it safe and followed all of them, you would be switching your diet on a daily basis.
The people in the study who ate more than 7 eggs were also more likely to smoke and drink alcohol.. it says so at the bottom.. so, well.. that just got shot to shit.
Men who ate the most eggs also were older, fatter, ate more vegetables but less breakfast cereal, and were more likely to drink alcohol, smoke and less likely to exercise — all factors that can affect the risk of heart attack and death.
so all the other factors we assume have a bad effect on us - increasing the rate of heart attack and death - but eating more veggies and less cereal? They include that in "all factors that can ...".
Weird wording. Is that why the writer just left "affect" without a qualifier - can't say negatively if those veggies are in there perhaps?
Men who ate the most eggs also were older, fatter, ate more vegetables but less breakfast cereal, and were more likely to drink alcohol, smoke and less likely to exercise — all factors that can affect the risk of heart attack and death.
This morning I had eggs 9 and 10 for the week. I will prolly pick up smoking this weekend and become a fat, old alcoholic. And here I thought it was work stress that was ruining my health, it was those damn eggs!
The only reason I don't have 3 eggs for breakfast every day is the fear that some morning I might wake up hating eggs (like my m-in-law and her oatmeal). So on my non-eggs day I have fritattas. hahaha
I don't really believe it. I mean, I know eggs are high in cholesterol, but that just souns a little far fetched. How do are six eggs completely safe, but then seven eggs causes you risk of death to jump up 23%. You would think that 6 would be just less bad for you, but still a little bad for you. Its weird that 7 is just the magic number. I don't know though. I'm actually kind of sick of always hearing about the next new thing that's bad for you. There's always another study or some ground breaking news release. It gets kind of rediculous, but what do I know.
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They didn't test people with 1 egg, then 2, etc. up to 7, to see where the "problem" starts. The categories might have been 6 and under and 7 and over. 7 a week might have included 7 Sausage McMuffins with Egg from McDonalds, too.
Just curious, when you give the # of eggs you eat, is that EW-only or whole eggs? For me, an egg = whole egg, while on a lot of fitnessforums, people seem to forget eggs have yolks (that are actually the best part).
There are only 2 problems with eggs
- contamination with dioxins & PCBs (same for fatty fish or non-purified fish oil actually!!!)
- eating raw egg whites will deplete your biotin as avidine will limit biotine absorption from the yolks you're not eating
Proud to be eating about 6 WHOLE eggs/day on average
Just curious, when you give the # of eggs you eat, is that EW-only or whole eggs? For me, an egg = whole egg, while on a lot of fitnessforums, people seem to forget eggs have yolks (that are actually the best part).
There are only 2 problems with eggs
- contamination with dioxins & PCBs (same for fatty fish or non-purified fish oil actually!!!)
- eating raw egg whites will deplete your biotin as avidine will limit biotine absorption from the yolks you're not eating
Proud to be eating about 6 WHOLE eggs/day on average
I only eat whole eggs. Except for when I eat the leftover yolks that my kids don't eat (from hardboiled eggs). I put the extra yolks in my salads.
Eggs and death?
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