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smoddelm · 04-09-2008, 11:03 AM

Seven or more eggs a week linked to death risk - Diet and nutrition - MSNBC.com

Thoughts?

Lost Dog · 04-09-2008, 11:12 AM

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Men who ate the most eggs also were older, fatter, ate more vegetables but less breakfast cereal, and were more likely to drink alcohol, smoke and less likely to exercise — all factors that can affect the risk of heart attack and death.

Here are my headlines.

Eating more vegetables linked to greater risk of heart attack and death.

Eating less breakfast cereal linked to greater risk of heart attack and death.

Being older is linked to greater risk of heart attack and death.

Alan Aragon · 04-09-2008, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by smoddelm

Seven or more eggs a week linked to death risk - Diet and nutrition - MSNBC.com

Thoughts?

Correlational research is way different than causational research (done with controlled intervention). Then look at the population studied, look at their state of health/disease. This data doesn't worry me.

Defiant1 · 04-09-2008, 11:16 AM

I just threw up the 7 egg omelette I had for breakfast!!!

Jack P · 04-09-2008, 11:20 AM

It's enough for me keeping up with eating 6 times a day (though that does seem to be helping). Arranging it to cut out the hard boiled eggs - I'll just make sure I keep it to under 7 a week. ; )

feralBoy · 04-09-2008, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan Aragon

Correlational research is way different than causational research (done with controlled intervention). Then look at the population studied, look at their state of health/disease. This data doesn't worry me.

As a statistician, I completely agree. All of these stupid studies NEVER establish cause and effect.

I hate watching these stupid news programs, that have these moronic taglines, like, "does drinking diet soda make you fatter." No, it doesn't. But people who have poor eating habits, may tend to drink more diet soda. The soda was never the problem.

I think it's the same thing here.

Jestter · 04-09-2008, 11:31 AM

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Over 20 years, 1,550 of the men had heart attacks, 1,342 had strokes, and more than 5,000 died.

So does that mean they killed people during their study?

Nazis.

ATM · 04-09-2008, 11:39 AM

Haha, 7 eggs a week. I had seven eggs yesterday. It's only 10:30 AM here, and I've already had 4.

RedLefty · 04-09-2008, 07:44 PM

I have six eggs every morning. Nothing in me is dead except my inner child. Poor, poor inner child...

MindPower · 04-09-2008, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RedLefty

I have six eggs every morning. Nothing in me is dead except my inner child. Poor, poor inner child...

damn you and your humour, i have salmon all over my keyboard

OldGuy · 04-09-2008, 08:36 PM

I'm glad I'm not a physician.

Defiant1 · 04-10-2008, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by feralBoy

As a statistician, I completely agree. All of these stupid studies NEVER establish cause and effect.

I hate watching these stupid news programs, that have these moronic taglines, like, "does drinking diet soda make you fatter." No, it doesn't. But people who have poor eating habits, may tend to drink more diet soda. The soda was never the problem.

I think it's the same thing here.

You people who bring logic into it...well that just isn't fair in today's world!!

smoddelm · 04-10-2008, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by feralBoy

As a statistician, I completely agree. All of these stupid studies NEVER establish cause and effect.

I hate watching these stupid news programs, that have these moronic taglines, like, "does drinking diet soda make you fatter." No, it doesn't. But people who have poor eating habits, may tend to drink more diet soda. The soda was never the problem.

I think it's the same thing here.

2 comments on what you said:

1. Remember, the diet soda study was on rats, not humans. The rats weren't given a choice of drinking soda. It wasn't a case of fat rats with poor eating habits thinking they'd get thinner just by choosing diet soda; they were given the diet soda by the researchers.

2. Generally, statistical studies establish correlation, not cause and effect. However, they can certainly point to (not prove) cause and effect, particularly if "event 1" precedes "event 2" in time. On the other hand, for example, if A causes B and C, and if B generally happens before C, and if you did a study looking at B and C, you might be tempted to conclude that B causes C. Uncontestable proofs are hard to come by -- we usually have to make choices based on information and research that is inherently limited.

In any case, if I were, for example, a smoker in the 50's or whenever the first studies came out that showed an association between smoking and lung cancer, I could either (a) be concerned, and make a point of watching for further information, and maybe even decide to quit based on a possible cause and effect relationship even though not yet proven (at the time), or (b) be defiantly dismissive because cause and effect has not been proven.

Of course, in the case of eggs, I already do know other information, such as that they have protein, which I need, that they don't raise blood cholesterol levels, which I've been told I don't want, and that they are correlated with lower incidence of breast cancer (just read that news last week, I think).

Aoife · 04-10-2008, 08:37 AM

and in other news instances of drowning correlate rather nicely with icecream consumption.

RedLefty · 04-10-2008, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by smoddelm

2 comments on what you said:
Of course, in the case of eggs, I already do know other information, such as that they have protein, which I need, that they don't raise blood cholesterol levels, which I've been told I don't want, and that they are correlated with lower incidence of breast cancer (just read that news last week, I think).

You had me at "eggs save boobies". Some things are worth dying for.

feralBoy · 04-10-2008, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by smoddelm

1. Remember, the diet soda study was on rats, not humans. The rats weren't given a choice of drinking soda. It wasn't a case of fat rats with poor eating habits thinking they'd get thinner just by choosing diet soda; they were given the diet soda by the researchers.

The study I was referring to was done on people.

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Regardless, while it is valid to say, you shouldn't dismiss correlation, such as between smoking and lung cancer, my point really was, there are so many studies saying this is linked to that, where do you draw the line? If you played it safe and followed all of them, you would be switching your diet on a daily basis.

smoddelm · 04-10-2008, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by feralBoy

The study I was referring to was done on people.

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The study I thought you were referring to was on rats -- the one in this thread: Say "No" to Splenda?

bcbarnes · 04-10-2008, 10:12 AM

My father used to say "99% of all alcoholics started on mothers milk ..."

Brian