Eggs and death?

[Espi]

To minimize PCBs? Nothing much, except that I eat less fatty fish than I used to eat and just rely on fish oil.
I mean.. there's only so much you can worry about. Also, considering I've got enough food sensitivities already and am cutting out grains, dairy & cheese already.. you'd need to pry the eggs out of my cold & dead fingers before I'm giving them up.

Generally it's about 5-6 whole eggs, but now I'm cutting again I've replaced 1 whole egg with 2 egg whites , so it's 4 whole eggs and 4 egg whites.

[Karen P]

Yeah, an egg is a whole egg to me. I'm guessing the yoke is probably what's causing the health the problem anyway. I really can't eat more than a few eggs a week though, so I guess I'm okay if there is some truth to this story. I've always been weird about eggs. I can get turned off to them so easily. Something about the fact that I can't seem to classify them. Not meat. Not veggie. Not bread or fruit. Fats and oils? I mean, if you think about it, it's actually pretty nasty because technically it's a meat, just in the very early stages. Sorry, I've just always had a thing with eggs. I still eat them though. I just can't over-do it. Not really sure why I just told you all that.

[Lost Dog]

You're missing the point. There's nothing wrong with the egg or it's yolk. The study is just crap.

What's likely happening is that people who tend to eat 7+ eggs a week are the types (like my Dad) who eat hash browns, toast, sausage, pancakes, etc. with those eggs. They also probably have crappy diets, overall. Look at the circumstantial evidence that I quoted. The ate fewer vegetables and ate more cereal. They drank a lot and smoked, too. Except for the smoking, none of those things are show stoppers in moderation, but we're likely looking at excessive eating of crap and a non-exercising, lifestyle.

The percentage of people who eat a lot of eggs and have a healthy diet is small. Close your eyes, and think back to before you started reading up on nutrition. Think of the typical guy that eats two eggs a day. What else does he eat with those eggs? Those eggs aren't a spinach omelet!

[Karen P]

I get it. I just got side tracked for a minute. I know how these studies can be a bunch of crap.

[Lost Dog]

Originally Posted by Karen P

I get it. I just got side tracked for a minute. I know how these studies can be a bunch of crap.

Cool. I didn't want you to think eggs were bad...

[cycomiko]

Originally Posted by Lost Dog

You're missing the point. There's nothing wrong with the egg or it's yolk. The study is just crap.

What's likely happening is that people who tend to eat 7+ eggs a week are the types (like my Dad) who eat hash browns, toast, sausage, pancakes, etc. with those eggs. They also probably have crappy diets, overall. Look at the circumstantial evidence that I quoted. The ate fewer vegetables and ate more cereal. They drank a lot and smoked, too. Except for the smoking, none of those things are show stoppers in moderation, but we're likely looking at excessive eating of crap and a non-exercising, lifestyle.

if you take the raw data, uncontrolled for any of these other factors (age only) , egg consumption had no association with MI or stroke, but a modest association with all cause mortality.

However, when statistically adjusted to remove the biases of the vast majority of the above items

(Adjusted for age, BMI (continuous), smoking (never, past, or current smoker), and history of hypertension, vitamin intake, alcohol consumption (1, 1–4, 5–6, or7 drinks/wk), vegetable consumption (3, 3–4, 5– 6, 7–13, servings/wk), breakfast cereal (0, 1, 2–6, or7 servings/wk), physical activity (1, 1, 2–4, or5 times/wk), treatment arm (4 groups), atrial fibrillation diabetes mellitus (yes or no), hypercholesterolemia (yes or no), and parental history of premature myocardial infarction (yes or no).)

it confirmed the lack of association with MI or Stroke, and weakened the assocaition with all-cuase mortality (from a hazard ratio of 1.41 down to 1.23, but still statistically significant)

Without diabetes the association was at 1.22 hazard ratio, where as those with diabetes the hazard ratio was around 2-2.27 depending on the number of eggs.


So "independant" of the above items, >7/week egg intake was still associated increased risk of all cause mortality, but that was not from MI or stroke, so they died from 'something'...

Buy 20% increased risk is nothing in the big picture. For diabetics, 2x the risk 'might' be worth noting.

But as Alan has already noted, its observation, not causation. Even tho cohorts like this allow for some termporal ideas to be formed, its not providing enough information to be trying to hand out "proof of causation".

[Aoife]

Originally Posted by Karen P

I mean, if you think about it, it's actually pretty nasty because technically it's a meat, just in the very early stages.

huh? how do you figure that? *confused*

[tonymcclellan]

Originally Posted by OldGuy

I'm glad I'm not a physician.

as long as you're not a middle aged physician you're ok.

[Milko Georgiev]

Originally Posted by smoddelm

Seven or more eggs a week linked to death risk - Diet and nutrition - MSNBC.com

Thoughts?

BULLSHIT!!!

[Milko Georgiev]

Originally Posted by Lost Dog

Here are my headlines.

Eating more vegetables linked to greater risk of heart attack and death.

Eating less breakfast cereal linked to greater risk of heart attack and death.

Being older is linked to greater risk of heart attack and death.

If I can trust my English, second and third are NOT truth. Especially second.

[Lost Dog]

Originally Posted by Milko Georgiev

If I can trust my English, second and third are NOT truth. Especially second.

Your english is just fine. I posted those as sacrastic points. They were alternate conclusions that you could make from the same article.

[Milko Georgiev]

Originally Posted by Lost Dog

Your english is just fine. I posted those as sacrastic points. They were alternate conclusions that you could make from the same article.

Mmm, I see, I need to train more for sarcastic hypertrophy

[Lost Dog]

Now that's funny.