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So far, I have not been that consistent. I seem to bloat a lot from just about anything I eat and I eat very clean - so I don't know what's up. I doubt that I am allergic to anything. I don't drink milk much (rarely) and don't eat much cheese.
Thought that maybe a cleanse would do me some good? But this one seems rather harsh - cayanne pepper, lemon juice, maple syrup drink for 10+ days.
Feedback would be greatly appreciated!!
Thank you!
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I would strongly discourage you from the lemonade diet. I've looked into this before. Apparently a cup of warm lemon water first thing in the morning is a great detox tonic for the liver if done over a long period of time - several months - but the lemon detox diet does nothing but give you, ah, interesting, and very temporary results.
Have you thought about adding some digestive enzymes? GNC has a papaya complex that worked great for my sister.
Wow, a diet I haven't heard of. I thought I'd tried them all. Actually, I've really never tried a cleanse or fasting diet. Have any of you guys had good results with a cleanse diet? Is it impossible to keep the weight off?
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It's likely that anyone would lose 8 pounds if they went from the SAD to 800 calories of anything per day, consumed a ton of sodium, and drank gallons of water. Most of the weight loss was likely water (which will come right back once she starts eating again & restores the glycogen & water in her cell tissue).
It's also unhealthy and I don't understand how anyone could think the weight loss is sustainable. Once you lose the weight, you go back to eating too much of the wrong thing and you're back to (or over) the weight you started at.
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Wow, a diet I haven't heard of. I thought I'd tried them all. Actually, I've really never tried a cleanse or fasting diet. Have any of you guys had good results with a cleanse diet? Is it impossible to keep the weight off?
Unless the trilateral commission has some reason to keep people fat, I can't see a reason that eating a handful of sugar a day for a while could possibly be an effective weight loss strategy despite the general public never catching on to that fact.
On quick-fix diets, you don't get to learn how to eat properly. You don't learn what is good for you and what isn't. You just lose a bunch of weight, then once the diet is done & you're at your goal weight, you have to eat something else. That "something else" is probably going to be less healthy than if you'd just spent months learning how to eat nutritionally sound food. From what I've read and observed, most people tend to binge after an extreme diet, because they missed eating normal food so much.
Making permanent diet changes that promote healthy weight loss will teach you how to keep the weight from going back on AND helps you learn how to incorporate occasional junky snacks into a healthy diet. Once you get to your goal weight, you know how to eat properly.
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It's likely that anyone would lose 8 pounds if they went from the SAD to 800 calories of anything per day, consumed a ton of sodium, and drank gallons of water. Most of the weight loss was likely water (which will come right back once she starts eating again & restores the glycogen & water in her cell tissue).
It's also unhealthy and I don't understand how anyone could think the weight loss is sustainable. Once you lose the weight, you go back to eating too much of the wrong thing and you're back to (or over) the weight you started at.
That's what I told her, but she seems to think she'll keep it off. She's skinny anyway, and I really think she has a self-image problem. The fact that the scale says she lost weight will make her feel like she's lost 8 pounds of fat, even though its mostlt water weight. I don't know why people care so much what the scale says. Personally, I wouldn't do the diet either. I've done crash doets before, and yes, they work temporarily. But you WILL gain the wieght back and probably even a little extra. I went up and down like that for years until I finally got the picture.
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On quick-fix diets, you don't get to learn how to eat properly.
Which ultimately depends on the individual, rather than the specific diet.
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You don't learn what is good for you and what isn't. You just lose a bunch of weight, then once the diet is done & you're at your goal weight, you have to eat something else.
Learning is not limited by the diet, but by the individual.
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That "something else" is probably going to be less healthy than if you'd just spent months learning how to eat nutritionally sound food.
Or they spend months learning to eat nutritionally sound food, then get sick of it and go back to eating lots. Which happens, constantly.
Its not specific to diet, its specific to the processes that control behavioural change.
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From what I've read and observed, most people tend to binge after an extreme diet, because they missed eating normal food so much.
Most people tend to binge following any diet, not just extreme. Behavioural modification is not terribly specific to diet, but to the individual.
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Making permanent diet changes that promote healthy weight loss will teach you how to keep the weight from going back on AND helps you learn how to incorporate occasional junky snacks into a healthy diet.
As a hypothesis, yes. However, even being taught aspects of a healthy diet under direct supervision still results in a large proportion of the subjects regressing back to their normal state (Contemplation or pre-contemplation within the transtheoretical Model of behaviour change). They have the physiology and psychology pulling them back to what they use to be.
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Once you get to your goal weight, you know how to eat properly.
Thats the goal, but unfortunately the reality is not quite so rosey. You have people who know how to eat properly, but then dont. But that would be part of the behavioural modification processes...
(and if you think I am promoting this lemon diet or whatever the hell it is, I am not)
Yeah, it all comes down to the individual, but unfortunately, many of us are weak. I for one have sworn that I would just do a quick diet to drop the weight and then go back to eating properly, but without fail, starvation diets lead me to bing eating. So I'm one if those individuals who just has to stay away from diets like that. I have to focus on creating a lifestyle that I can live with forever, so that I'm not always counting the days until whatever plan I'm on is over.
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Thats the goal, but unfortunately the reality is not quite so rosey. You have people who know how to eat properly, but then dont. But that would be part of the behavioural modification processes...
I will agree that most dieters fail regardless of the dieting method used. So it is easy to look at the population of dieters and say "dieters will likely fail no matter what method they use or education they receive".
Let's look at this the other way around. Consider only dieters who have succesfully lost weight and maintained the lower weight for some time. If you look at this group do you think you will find that success is method-invariant?
No you're right. If you've got the mindest, it doesn't matter what method you use. I'll agree with that. The trick is just getting people into the correct mind set.
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I will agree that most dieters fail regardless of the dieting method used. So it is easy to look at the population of dieters and say "dieters will likely fail no matter what method they use or education they receive".
But I didn't
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Let's look at this the other way around. Consider only dieters who have succesfully lost weight and maintained the lower weight for some time. If you look at this group do you think you will find that success is method-invariant?
The commonality is the group utilizes practices of behavioural change.
Within peoples decision process is the balance of pro's for making the change, vs the con's of makign the change. When the pro's overwhelm the con's the behaviour change can happen. Maintaining this balance is imperitive to making the change.
If the con's of eating well are stronger htan the pro's, you will not eat well. You will regress back to the existing behaviour. This is irrespective of what the behaviour is, as a lot of the modelling is from drug, smoking*, and other truely harsh health behaviours and expanded into dietary modification.
The ones that succeed generally have a strong desire to succeed, they have to attempt to hold this desire within their social enviroment, control the stimuli (which ties back to the enivroment), find supportive relationships (weight watcher is one, forums are another, or a dietition, friend, a cat that you think talks), and understanding of the negatives fo returning to the old behaviour (if I get fat again, I will look like shit/never get laid/be pushed back into the ocean by greenpeace), plus a whole heap of their things
If they manage to keep this change happening long term, its more maitnenance of the situation, and in some cases extreme diligence on their behalf.
What it takes to achieve each of these things is seperate from the psychological aspects behind the behavior.
I have seen people go from absolute garbage diets, straight onto a PSMF, drop a truckload of fat, and then start eating relatively good quiality foods, and maintain their weight loss.
I ahve also seen people go from garbage diets to 'healthy' diets for a couple of monhts, achieve some changes, then go back to garbage and get fat as hell again.
The main difference between the two, is in the process that control behavioural change.
* a couple of years ago I had the opportunity to have a coffee with one of the leading obesity psychologists in the US. He was still utterly supportive of the behavioural change models being applied to dietary change systems, even tho there is a major difference between non-essential drugs, and something you cannot avoid. Its more of the process, rather than the actual behaviour being altered. He used better language, and a host of anecdotes from his practice, but that was the general idea.
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The ones that succeed generally have a strong desire to succeed, they have to attempt to hold this desire within their social enviroment, control the stimuli (which ties back to the enivroment), find supportive relationships (weight watcher is one, forums are another, or a dietition, friend, a cat that you think talks), and understanding of the negatives fo returning to the old behaviour (if I get fat again, I will look like shit/never get laid/be pushed back into the ocean by greenpeace), plus a whole heap of their things
Leave my cat out this. He thinks you're being rude.
I, however, think you're right. I've told people about this before, but I was fat all my life, pretty much. I tried all sorts of diets to "learn proper eating behavior." None stuck because I didn't really want it.
Five years ago, something just sort of clicked (I still don't know the why, exactly) and I lost 75lbs without much trouble. I just wanted it. In fact, I lost about 10-15lbs eating less crap, but eating crap still.
Currently, I'd like to have a six pack, but apparently, I want to eat crap more than I want to see the abs. I don't really want them bad enough.
Right now, my motivation level is enough to stay at 10% body fat, which requires a fairly decent diet, but also allows periodic doses of donuts and beer.
Right now, my motivation level is enough to stay at 10% body fat, which requires a fairly decent diet, but also allows periodic doses of donuts and beer.
Cut the donuts, keep the beer and cut your grass with a reel mower.
Leave my cat out this. He thinks you're being rude.
I, however, think you're right. I've told people about this before, but I was fat all my life, pretty much. I tried all sorts of diets to "learn proper eating behavior." None stuck because I didn't really want it.
Five years ago, something just sort of clicked (I still don't know the why, exactly) and I lost 75lbs without much trouble. I just wanted it. In fact, I lost about 10-15lbs eating less crap, but eating crap still.
Currently, I'd like to have a six pack, but apparently, I want to eat crap more than I want to see the abs. I don't really want them bad enough.
Right now, my motivation level is enough to stay at 10% body fat, which requires a fairly decent diet, but also allows periodic doses of donuts and beer.
These are excellent thoughts and mirror much of what I've been considering lately. Cuz I only consider excellent thoughts, naturally.
My current fitness level is exactly where I want it to be. Since I know enough to know what type of exercising/eating leads to what type of body for me, I've selected the behavior that got me here. And I've decided it's worth lifting 3x weekly to avoid turning into red jello. Yet I've decided it's not worth skipping my family's Friday night pizza/ice cream and Saturday kolache/donut traditions to get totally ripped. I can live with that.
One day the equation may change, and I may decide that I want to do what it takes to drop to single digit bf%. But not now.
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These are excellent thoughts and mirror much of what I've been considering lately. Cuz I only consider excellent thoughts, naturally.
My current fitness level is exactly where I want it to be. Since I know enough to know what type of exercising/eating leads to what type of body for me, I've selected the behavior that got me here. And I've decided it's worth lifting 3x weekly to avoid turning into red jello. Yet I've decided it's not worth skipping my family's Friday night pizza/ice cream and Saturday kolache/donut traditions to get totally ripped. I can live with that.
One day the equation may change, and I may decide that I want to do what it takes to drop to single digit bf%. But not now.
One thing might change the equation for me. If I drop 10lbs of fat and get ripped, will it take extra effort to stay there? I don't know.
From the math standpoint, the maintenance level of cals between here and there is trivial, but I keep reading people posting about how hard it is to KEEP your abs. I don't get it. I've been able to keep what I have now, for a long time with virtually no effort. But, I could eat 150 calories a day less, no problem, to keep the abs and 10lbs of fat off.
Maybe it would be worth it. If that's the case, I'd consider a strict dieting phase to GET there more of an investment that I could then maintain. But, if I have to get strict to get there and then eat 300-500 calories a day less (and no donuts and beer) than now to maintain, forget it.
Depends almost entirely on your genetic pre-disposition for where your body fat is predominantly stored. Some people see abs at higher percentages; others never see abs unless they become emaciated beyond emaciated, by which point there's no muscle to see in the first place.
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Phaedrus, i am in the camp where my abs never show no matter HOW lean I get. Well, they show a teeny bit but by that point I look like really skinny elsewhere. Boo
Lemonade Diet - good or should I not even think about it?
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