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Old 04-02-2008, 05:12 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Science wishy-washy on health benefits of water - Diet and nutrition - MSNBC.com

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Old 04-02-2008, 05:29 PM   #2 (permalink)
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One is that drinking a lot of water suppresses appetite. "Many people drink water before and during the meal to try to suppress their appetite," Goldfarb explained, yet there is "no consistent evidence" that water suppresses appetite. "Because you absorb water so quickly and it moves through the GI tract so quickly, it probably doesn't fill you up the way people have proposed, nor does it lead to the release of hormones which suppress appetite as far as we know," the researcher said.
Correct in the aspect that it doesn't not affect hunger signals. However, in can lead to a feeling of fullness and water log. This will in turn lead some to not eat as much, therefore leading to it technically helping suppress appetite.

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The second myth is that filling up on water flushes toxins from the body. "In fact, that is not how the kidney works," Goldfarb said. "When you drink a lot of water you end up having a larger volume of urine but don't necessarily increase the excretion of various constituents of the urine."
This is trickier. It is technically true but in round about connect the dot way, can be defeated.


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The third myth is that it reduces headaches. It does not, according to the evidence.
Well dehydration can lead to headaches. If you drink water you wont be dehydrated anymore. If no dehydration then no headache....

If you have a headache from being beat in the head with a pan or from muscle tension then not so lucky.

This just depends on the source of the headache.


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The fourth myth is that water drinking improves your skin. "There are no data to suggest that it actually improves the water content of the skin," Goldfarb said.
This one irritates me because improvement of the skin doesn't have to do with water content, it has to do with oil. When you hear someone say that your skin is dry and dehydrated they aren't talking about water, they are talking about oil.

That being said, if water intake isn't good then body function and nutrient delivery wont be good. That means you want get your oils as good so neiner, neiner...water is important.

Basically it is all in how you want to look at it. Not everyone needs eight glasses and some need an ton more than this. Pollution, training, job, genetics, etc.

Best thing to do? (I could make such an awesome book plug here...oh I did...)

Listen to your body, try to keep your urine a more clear light yellow, rehydrate what you lose after training with water and electrolytes.

It isn't just water you should take care of, but the electrolytes as well.
Oh and fats.
And protein.

Holy Hell, just eat a healthy and balanced diet and get your water. Shocking.
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Old 04-02-2008, 08:55 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I remember how bad things were before plastic bottles used to be available everywhere. How going out to play was like crossing a vast dessert... How cruel our parents were to send us out without Perrier (the only small bottles of water available at the time).

Now, every kid has to have a bottle of water in his backpack to make it through school. ...or DIE!

Here's an entertaining read from snopes.com -- here

When I lived over at Calorieking.com, they were all about the water. You could screw up your WHOLE diet, but the water made it all right again (the software even has water tracking built in so you don't actually have to add the water as foods, you just tally it up as you go on with your day. I used it to count Diet Pepsi, just to be an ass.).

This is typical of the questions over there. I was losing fast, and people really thought water was my secret!

"Roland (that was my clever screen name there), how much water should I drink?"
"Can I drink ice tea, instead?"
"Does coffee count toward my water?"
"Roland, how much water do YOU drink?"

They would debate this stuff for days. Then, next week, debate it again.

Not to mock them (because I'm clearly above that), but here's the gist of one conversation I had with a prominent member.

Me -- "Tea counts."
Her -- "Tea doesn't count! It's not water!"
Me -- "It's made with water..."
Her -- "It's not water, though. It's tea. Are you tracking tea or water?"
Me -- "What if I squeeze lemon in my water?"
Her -- "That's fine."
Me -- "What if I heat it up and then dunk a tea bag in it?"
virtual crickets...

Their "dietician" asked me to stop it. She also warned me about too much protein damaging my kidneys. I said that I thought the extra water in the Diet Pepsi would flush it all out. You just can't win.
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Wow, Roland's post was just chock full of win. I bow before him.
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Correct in the aspect that it doesn't not affect hunger signals. However, in can lead to a feeling of fullness and water log. This will in turn lead some to not eat as much, therefore leading to it technically helping suppress appetite.
Actually, studies have shown that drinking something non-alcoholic before a meal (water, diet soda, tea, sugary soda, juice) has no impact on the amount of food eaten (or caloric intake) at a meal. Adults eat the same amount of food whether they have a beverage with/before the meal.

The ONLY beverage that decreases the amount of food/calories eaten is vegetable juice. Or broth (which isn't really a beverage IMO )
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I second bowing to Roland. Nice!!!
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Roland, you're hilarious.

My tea counts for sure. Especially when it keeps me from some more dangerous urges...craving sweets? Walk to the coffee shop, have them make me hot green tea...and if I'm feeling really in need of pampering, ask them to make me hot green tea, steep it for 3-4 minutes, then put it over ice. It's okay. I'll wait. (I'm a regular and a good tipper, I don't feel guilty.)

And I can't say for anyone else, but when I get those torturous hunger pangs 1/2 an hour before it's time to eat, what do I do? I reach for the water. It helps. (I'd call that a weight-loss tool.)
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Actually, even the Diet Pepsi counts. Hydration is exceptionally important to my personal well being in another aspect of my life. I teach mixed gas and cave diving. I've done several hundred mixed gas dives over the years, some out on the ragged edge - and many in remote locations. Decompression Sickness (DCS) is always a concern, and most of us pride ourselves on "stacking the deck in our favor" from a risk standpoint. While dehydration doesn't cause DCS, it is a risk factor, and it almost certainly makes treatment of DCS more difficult, especially in remote locations where medevac may not be quick, or even reasonable. Thus, most of us "technical" divers have done a fair amount of research on how to make ourselves less susceptible to DCS, and found that hydration is an easy one to influence.

The short version of all of this is that there is significant medical and hyperbaric research showing that it isn't all that important to drink only water (or sports drinks) for hydration. Every liquid and high liquid content food you consume contributes- even those containing ~GASP~ caffiene. Yes, caffiene does act as a diuretic, but in limited amounts (a coffee, a diet Coke, etc) the effect isn't excessive. At worst the amount fo fluid lost to the diuretic effect is equal to the amount absorbed from consuming the caffienated fluid. In many cases it is a net fluid gain. If you guys are interested in the research, I can log in to the Rubicon archive (The Rubicon Foundation: Home) and get references for some relevant papers.

FYI- Rubicon is focused on Hyperbarics research, and topics related, but they have a ton of medical papers relevant to exercise as well. It's free- and you won't get spammed- my husband's best friend runs it, and my husband sits on the BOD- it's a legit non-profit.

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Old 04-04-2008, 03:54 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Water is that important

Your body has about a million ways of making sure you get enough

You probably do not have to worry about getting enough water (second only to oxygen urgency of instincts will take care of it)
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I agree on the amount of water - but one thing that made me wonder about this was treating a friends cat who had some sort of kidney problem. When we would give me a treatment of saline solution injected under his ski, he felt better. The vet claimed this was because it helped eliminate toxins. Ever since then, I've tried to get about 64 oz of water a day. I figure if it helped the cat that much, there could be something to needing a certain amount of water a day, and it sure doesn't hurt.
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I've cut down on both water & protein intake, as I felt that going to the rest room over 10 times a day was not a healthy thing. Am feeling better with just about 2-3 litres of water a day vs 5-6 litres.
Interesting is that I've since then upped protein again, but don't need as much water to go with it as before, so it's not just that protein makes you drink so much more. It's more a habit than anything else.

While water may be a very poor way to make you feel fuller, soup works great.. and even more so, pureed soup. Try for yourself, but you'll notice a hyoooge difference between soup that is a watery solution + solids or soup that is a homogenous broth of veggies & protein (can be done by using a blender). The latter will fill up your stomach completely as the water will not just immediately separate from the solids as it does with clear soup.

The difference is outright amazing! I've been applying this trick on diet days I cut calories very low. It doesn't even taste bad at all. The only thing is that it is somewhat bland and hence requires more spices like salt and mustard.
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Hey all,

I saw you talking about water and dehydration and thought I'd chime in. I work for a marketing company promoting the new Snapple Antioxidant Waters. They're loaded with Antioxidants and they're super tasty-- I haven't been dehydrated yet!
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I saw you talking about water and dehydration and thought I'd chime in. I work for a marketing company promoting the new Snapple Antioxidant Waters. They're loaded with Antioxidants and they're super tasty-- I haven't been dehydrated yet!
Are they calorie free too? And will they make me better looking, taller, and rich?

I gave up Vitamin Waters because they couldn't meet ANY of those criteria, sadly...
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I saw you talking about water and dehydration and thought I'd chime in. I work for a marketing company promoting the new Snapple Antioxidant Waters. They're loaded with Antioxidants and they're super tasty-- I haven't been dehydrated yet!
Wouldn't that take the O out of the H2O, making it just hydrogen? I think I still need my O...

Yeah, I'm giving you a hard time, but I looked up the drink on Snapple's website and it has 125 calories, including 13 grams of sugar. How can that be called water?
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Never underestimate the power of proper hydration. I think I went the first 7/8 of my life in a semi-dehydrated state. I just never feel thirsty, and I'm not exagerating. Up until recently, it wasn't uncommon for me to go an entire day with out having more than a few sips of liquid, usually not even water. I started having some urinary tract problems, so I finally started drinking a lot of water. I was amazed at how much better I felt, how much more energy I had and how clear my head was. I used to be so slugglish and always sort of loopy by the end of the day. I had no idea I was border-line dehydrated. I still have to force myself to drink enough water, but It's made a world of difference in my overall health.
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For me, the easiest way to make sure to drink enough, is to not tie water to meals but tie it with visits to the rest room: whenever I go, I make myself drink about 300-500ml of water.
Whenever I forget the first few glasses of water, I can end up dehydrated as well, since the next visit to the restrooms will be postponed for many hours.
I'm still glad I took up that habit. However, trying to push beyond 500ml wasn't natural and mineral-depleting.
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Good Tip. I started filling up a large water bottle every morning. I just have to drink it by the end of the day, but I do find myself drinking th emajority of it in the evening. The bathroom idea is great b/c it's a constant reminder. Thanks!
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Hey Espi, I tried your tip today. Every time I went to the rest room at work, I drank a glass of water when I got back to my desk. This could really help me get into the habbit of drinking enough water without having to force it all down at the end of the day. I know it was a simple tip, but I hadn't thougt Of associating the two activities together. They naturally go together, so it's qiute easy to remember. Thanks for sharing!
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It really is an easy way to get in enough water. Also once you notice you're going too often, you can reduce the amt you drink afterwards. Not enough & you can increase.

Two large glasses (unless it's in the morning) generally amounted to too much. One is enough.
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Water tastes good, especially if cold and right after a workout.

Water helps with thirst. If I get thirsty, and I drink water, I don't feel thirsty anymore.

Without water, there would be no wet t-shirt contests.

All hail water.
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