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I had a conversation w/ a reg. dietician about protien needs. She said I was eating way too much protein. This was her response to me about my resource (NROL):
It is very difficult to distinguish between a credible source and a non credible source b/c people work very hard to make their info. sound right. So if your're not an expert you'd never know. One way to tell if you have no background in nutritional sciences is that if they sell something then they are usually quacks almost 100% of the time. I really am trying to help because I am a nutrition professional (with real credentials and yearssss of schooling) and it frustrates me to see people who just make stuff up and make money off it (not you- the sites, books, etc.). If I gave misinfo. i'd lose my license- they have no license or professional credibility so they're free to say whatever they want.
sounds like she has a close minded view, and not open to any new information. I guess YEAAARRRRRRRSSSSS of schooling didn't teach her when you fail to keep an open mind, you stop learning.
maybe you could also tell her that decades of bodybuilders people in the strength sports have eaten this way, and have seen gains in muscle. There's a reason high protein diets are still consumed... because they work and have for decades.
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I once tried to work with a nutritionist regarding the increased protein needs of a twin pregnancy. She was pretty much clueless and had all the schooling, licenses and degrees. I knew more from reading two books by experts in the field than what she could provide me with. And by golly those experts sold me a book to read Funny thing books, people condense their knowledge into them in order to make a living. Just because there is a profit motive doesn't mean it's bad information. (Also doesn't mean buyer shouldn't beware.) Yep the fitness world suggests far more protein than required to minimally sustain life. It's a specialized diet, she's a generalist. Maybe that's where the disconnect has occurred.
The girl is 25 and she says she has YEARSSSS of schooling! That's what cracks me up! She has maybe 6 years of schooling and obviously not much experience.
I had a conversation w/ a reg. dietician about protien needs. She said I was eating way too much protein. This was her response to me about my resource (NROL):
It is very difficult to distinguish between a credible source and a non credible source b/c people work very hard to make their info. sound right. So if your're not an expert you'd never know. One way to tell if you have no background in nutritional sciences is that if they sell something then they are usually quacks almost 100% of the time. I really am trying to help because I am a nutrition professional (with real credentials and yearssss of schooling) and it frustrates me to see people who just make stuff up and make money off it (not you- the sites, books, etc.). If I gave misinfo. i'd lose my license- they have no license or professional credibility so they're free to say whatever they want.
How would you respond to that???
The first thing I would say is that with all due respect, someone who is the fitness editor at a very popular magazine and an author of popular books is much higher on the "has something to lose" ladder than some random registered dietitian.
Also I think she is acting as a disgrace to her profession by defaming the authors of NROL, ostensibly without having even read the book. In my profession if I gave professional advice (in this case that Lou is a quack and his book is incredible so you are advised to dismiss it) without understanding what I was giving advice about, I would be subject to discipline.
Frankly it sounds like someone is jealous and is ironically using a professional affiliation that she is acting like she doesn't value much to justify insulting someone based on a fairly exhaustive use of logical fallacies.
But if I were responding ...
Your protein intake may be well over the minimum required to sustain life. Is that what she's comparing against?
What is her downside about consuming over the minimum required? Where are her studies that support her point of view (don't let her go down the kidney road for a normal healthy adult).
Exactly what is her problem with how you are eating? Not where you got it - but with the actual execution?
I had a conversation w/ a reg. dietician about protien needs. She said I was eating way too much protein.
I'm curious how much protein you told her you were eating and how much she recommended. Also, did you tell her what your fitness goals were and ask her if they would affect her recommendation?
I can give you all sort of links that support "more protein" or refute the dangers, but they will all be from people with "something to sell." John Berardi, Alan Aragon, Mike Roussell, Casandra Forsythe, etc. None of them sell protein, and eating extra protein wouldn't really be a selling point on the book jacket or click-to-purchase web page. So, I don't get it.
Not believing it's correct is different. I've never heard this argument before. Does she have clients? Isn't she selling something? Like her services as a dietician?
If you're paying for an RD's services, I'd find a new one. If the RD is your friend and/or you enjoy the debate, we can provide plenty of reading material. But, the RD would have to have an open mind to go follow up on the studies cited in the materials. If they dismiss anything that says any amount over the RDA is unsafe, regardless of what they read, then move along.
BTW, this is common. I've had several doctors over the past 5 years. About 25% of them thought my average of 1g per lbs was dangerously high. Others thought it was fine and rolled their eyes when I related the panic. RDs are probably the same.
The girl is 25 and she says she has YEARSSSS of schooling! That's what cracks me up! She has maybe 6 years of schooling and obviously not much experience.
There is your answer right there. Years of schooling mean nothing without being able to apply it. Think of it...Would you listen to the guy who's studied the moon for 20 years, or the guy who's actually stood on it?
School Schmool...when she's lived and breathed her "schooling" for 6 more years, maybe I'll listen.
I'd think about giving her this in the exit interview:
Unless, as others have stated, she's not actually selling her services and is helping you for free. Because then that would make her different that those she's criticizing.
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I'm curious how much protein you told her you were eating and how much she recommended. Also, did you tell her what your fitness goals were and ask her if they would affect her recommendation?
I wondered the same thing. Protein needs will vary from person to person and with goal to goal. She might only see elderly sedentary people.
Regardless of how high you or I might think of NRL its still not a good reference. Be like referencing Mens health. Any real professional would just laugh at you.
Assuming you do ~4-6hr training a week, to maintain or gain weight you'd need 0.9g/lb of LBM. So technically if you do fit into the maintaining and moderate exercise you ARE eating alittle much. Is your amount going to be harmful to you then no.
I wondered the same thing. Protein needs will vary from person to person and with goal to goal. She might only see elderly sedentary people.
Regardless of how high you or I might think of NRL its still not a good reference. Be like referencing Mens health. Any real professional would just laugh at you.
I agree that NROL is not a good reference for information on nutrition, and clearly was not intended as such. I am pretty sure though that any real professional would not make an unfounded claim that another individual was being intentionally misleading and was a quack and a factually incorrect claim that the same person has a secondary business interest whereby they would benefit from the intentionally misleading advice being given through the first.
I am not sure how exactly to respond, but I wanted to comment that it is much the same in the conditioning world. How many theories, "truths" and ideas were considered to be fact? (such as 60 minute treadmil jaunts for fat loss) When in the long run, as we (or I) have now anecdotal and further scientific experience to realize much of what we previously thought to be true was not? (Sorry for the poor sentence structure, doing two things at once here).
Lastly, I see this too in the hospital I work at. The dieticians often shoot out fun "fact" and informational emails that often do not correspond with NROL or TNT or other resources that show the opposite is true. They are constantly putting down animal fats and other items and celebrating breads, and other carb sources as the way to lose weight????
One way to tell if you have no background in nutritional sciences is that if they sell something then they are usually quacks almost 100% of the time.
So I guess she was just helping you out of the goodness of her heart and not trying to sell you her services? But wait, without a nutrition background, how can you really know if she's telling the truth? Man, she's lucky I wasn't in there
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I had a conversation w/ a reg. dietician about protien needs. She said I was eating way too much protein. This was her response to me about my resource (NROL):
It is very difficult to distinguish between a credible source and a non credible source b/c people work very hard to make their info. sound right. So if your're not an expert you'd never know. One way to tell if you have no background in nutritional sciences is that if they sell something then they are usually quacks almost 100% of the time. I really am trying to help because I am a nutrition professional (with real credentials and yearssss of schooling) and it frustrates me to see people who just make stuff up and make money off it (not you- the sites, books, etc.). If I gave misinfo. i'd lose my license- they have no license or professional credibility so they're free to say whatever they want.
How would you respond to that???
I would do two things,
1. Ask for proof. With so many years of schooling she should have come up with a couple studies to prove that high protein is damaging in any way. Its too bad there aren't any.
I had a conversation w/ a reg. dietician about protien needs. She said I was eating way too much protein. This was her response to me about my resource (NROL):
It is very difficult to distinguish between a credible source and a non credible source b/c people work very hard to make their info. sound right. So if your're not an expert you'd never know. One way to tell if you have no background in nutritional sciences is that if they sell something then they are usually quacks almost 100% of the time. I really am trying to help because I am a nutrition professional (with real credentials and yearssss of schooling) and it frustrates me to see people who just make stuff up and make money off it (not you- the sites, books, etc.). If I gave misinfo. i'd lose my license- they have no license or professional credibility so they're free to say whatever they want.
How would you respond to that???
How about you invite her to this thread? I promise I'll be very nice to her. I'm a continuing education provider for RDs, so I know how to school them
Nah nah nah, don't say anything. Next time you're in her office, just sit down, bust open some beef jerky, and chew on it while you give her a steely gaze.
The proof is in the pudding.
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She didn't even discuss it with you? Sheesh - - If she knew what she was doing she'd have let you know *why* she thought it's too much protein. It sounds like she is a "follow me blindly and give me your money" kind of professional.
Don't get me wrong - good advice and information is worth paying for. The folks who put good programs together work hard to package the info and deserve to make a living for the service they provide, but if I'm paying for information I want a complete and balanced approach.
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Hello,
THis is my first post here!
As a registered dietitian myself, i feel like i need to step in here! Let me just say, that it sounds as if she is not up on the research in sports nutrition, which is okay, but her inexperience led to her response to you. Most professionals (not only licensed dietitian!) are able to say this is beyond my scope etc, and should refer you to a dietitian that deals exclusively with training!!!!
Truth is, the research in nutrition is often grey, and newbees are always afraid to give opinion! As a dietitan who trains heavy and hard, i can tell you, that the research sometimes isnt there, or inconclusive. So, please dont generalize, there are good ones out there, myself and Cassandra for 2!
Steph
How would you respond?
Funny thing books, people condense their knowledge into them in order to make a living. Just because there is a profit motive doesn't mean it's bad information. (Also doesn't mean buyer shouldn't beware.) Yep the fitness world suggests far more protein than required to minimally sustain life. It's a specialized diet, she's a generalist. Maybe that's where the disconnect has occurred.
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