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Old 03-14-2008, 10:32 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Almonds, Flax Seed Oil, or both?

I've been eating 24 almonds every day. Recently, I started adding 2 tsp of flax seed oil to my diet (2 tsp healthy oils recommended by weight watchers). Unfortunately, eating both almonds and the flax seed oil puts a big fat load on my diet, making it hard to compensate through out the rest of the day to bring my total fat intake to around 25%. I know the healthy oils and almonds are good for me, but am I overdoing it? Would it be sufficient for good health to eat just the almonds, just the flax seed oil, or perhaps about 1/2 as much of each? Any thoughts on this?

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Old 03-14-2008, 02:25 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Going off a percentage of a macro to determine what's a good number is not the best place to start. Most people would be better off worrying about the quality of the foods. As long as you are eating good healthy unprocessed fats and you are eating at the caloric level that meets your goals, whether you eat 24 or 42 almonds or, whether you are at 25% or 52% of fat in your diet, really won't matter so much. Think of calories, set your grams of protein and then fill up the rest with fat or carbs depending on what your choices and tolerance are.
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Gayla,

Thanks for the comment. Being a product of the "Limit fat as much as possible" generation, it is hard for me to remember that fats are not "evil".

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What she said. but, ditch the flaxseed oil, anyway. Fish oil would be better. Flaxseeds would be good, but the oil isn't worth it. We (and men especially) don't process the ALA into useful Omega-3s efficiently.
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What she said. but, ditch the flaxseed oil, anyway. Fish oil would be better. Flaxseeds would be good, but the oil isn't worth it. We (and men especially) don't process the ALA into useful Omega-3s efficiently.
Can you elaborate on that? You're saying that for a man, flax seed oil is not really the best choice?

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Can you elaborate on that? You're saying that for a man, flax seed oil is not really the best choice?

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Correct. There are things in flaxseeds that are good, but if it's just the good fat you're looking for, look elsewhere.

The polyunsaturaged fats in flaxseed oil are mostly Omega-3s (you want to cut back on Omega-6s), which is good, but what we really want is the DHA and EPA. ALA is converted at a very low rate, if at all. Like 20% for a chick a lot less for a guy. Maybe zero!

Fish oil doesn't need to be converted and is low in Omega-6s. Olive oil is low in Omega-6s, too. With olive oil, you get a big dose of monounsaturated fats, too.

IMO, flaxseed oil is a waste of money and calories compared to other oils. I don't ever need to take just plain oil. I want my calories to be something good and actually worth eating. Cooking oil, egg yolks, nuts, seeds, butter, pork rinds, olive oil dressing, the fat in steak, cream or half and half, chicken skin, or even the fat in dark meat. The only oil I ever supplement with is fish oil.
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Really good information. Thanks.

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What she said. but, ditch the flaxseed oil, anyway. Fish oil would be better. Flaxseeds would be good, but the oil isn't worth it. We (and men especially) don't process the ALA into useful Omega-3s efficiently.
I've heard this, and I understand it, but...any suggestions for a vegetarian?
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I've heard this, and I understand it, but...any suggestions for a vegetarian?
Decrease your Omega-6 intake as much as possible to reduce the ratio or 6:3 as much as possible, then continue to take flaxseeds or flaxseed oil.

If you eat eggs, then eat Omega-3 eggs, which are richer in EPA and DHA, since the chickens did the ALA conversion for you.

Apparently, there are things you can do to help with the ALA conversion, but I don't know what they are, specifically. Here's an article I found.

Guidelines on omega-3's for vegans and vegetarians
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The crappy part with the ALA conversion is that is you end up with some EPA, but the DHA conversion really doesn't happen.
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Decrease your Omega-6 intake as much as possible to reduce the ratio or 6:3 as much as possible, then continue to take flaxseeds or flaxseed oil.
Whew, more things to think about . Thanks for the advice, I'll check out that link!
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The crappy part with the ALA conversion is that is you end up with some EPA, but the DHA conversion really doesn't happen.

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Whew, more things to think about . Thanks for the advice, I'll check out that link!
Decreasing Omega-6s is easy, but can be a pain in the ass. That's because the 6s are EVERYWHERE.

Primarily, avoid soybean oil and corn oil. Also, if the label just says vegetable oil, skip it (that's usually a mixture of corn and soybean oil, plus misc oils). Walnut oil is pretty high in the 6s, too (which is new news to me!).

Your cooking oil will be olive oil, preferably. Canola oil is okay, but olive oil is lower in 6s by half. Flaxseed oil is also low in 6s (and high in threes), but tastes like crap, so eating it is tough.
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