phera plex?

[liftintexas]

anyone ever used the training supplement, phera-plex? if so, any luck, good, bad, indifferent?

[Frank.S]

Its an anabolic steroid, don't kid yourself. Liver toxicity too.

If your going to mess with your endocrine system, you may as well just get some testosterone. It would be safer, and give you more gains.

Mind you, I think in general 99.99% of people on this site will deem the risks outweigh the benefits.

[liftintexas]

Originally Posted by Frank.S

Its an anabolic steroid, don't kid yourself. Liver toxicity too.

If your going to mess with your endocrine system, you may as well just get some testosterone. It would be safer, and give you more gains.

Mind you, I think in general 99.99% of people on this site will deem the risks outweigh the benefits.

manufacturer claims it's a phermone, but was wondering when I saw possible side effects. Just tired of being the same size ...

[Frank.S]

Of course they say that, steroids are not legal

If you want to grow, Post up your diet. Ive been fairly lean at 240+lbs @ 5'9 before and I attribute that to diet as well as decent training. Most of the stuff out there for diets is focused on fat loss and not muscle gain so its hard to cut out the crap and find what you really need.

Its a long road, and about 100x harder then dieting. Very very few people can honestly say they have gained 40lbs+ of muscle. It takes full dedication for quite some time.

Im guessing you are naturally a 'skinny' person. I once was, too. After a few years of force feeding myself, waking up at 2am to down some peanut butter and protein, bringing a cooler of food wherever I go, olive oil shots, spending all my money on meat, etc ive gained muscle.

Unfortunately, for many the articles written for 'mass gain' are by people, who have very little experience in it, in the real world ive found and leave alot of people with piss poor results after trying them. Mass diets based on chicken breast and broccoli.. carb cycling.. it goes on. Nobody who hasn't been well over their non-training weight really knows what its like to carry an extra 40+lbs of muscle around all day, and how hard it is the even maintain that.. yet, they sure will tell you how to do it

sorry. went on a rant.

[liftintexas]

Originally Posted by Frank.S

Of course they say that, steroids are not legal

If you want to grow, Post up your diet. Ive been fairly lean at 240+lbs @ 5'9 before and I attribute that to diet as well as decent training. Most of the stuff out there for diets is focused on fat loss and not muscle gain so its hard to cut out the crap and find what you really need.

Its a long road, and about 100x harder then dieting. Very very few people can honestly say they have gained 40lbs+ of muscle. It takes full dedication for quite some time.

Im guessing you are naturally a 'skinny' person. I once was, too. After a few years of force feeding myself, waking up at 2am to down some peanut butter and protein, bringing a cooler of food wherever I go, olive oil shots, spending all my money on meat, etc ive gained muscle.

Unfortunately, for many the articles written for 'mass gain' are by people, who have very little experience in it, in the real world ive found and leave alot of people with piss poor results after trying them. Mass diets based on chicken breast and broccoli.. carb cycling.. it goes on. Nobody who hasn't been well over their non-training weight really knows what its like to carry an extra 40+lbs of muscle around all day, and how hard it is the even maintain that.. yet, they sure will tell you how to do it

sorry. went on a rant.

thanks, frank. it wasn't a rant, but helpful. I just feel stuck. I eat probably 2400-2600 calories a day, which I know isn't enough. I'm 6 180 and would love to get to 185 or 190. Not looking for huge gains. I weighed 155 in college, and even had a stint 3 years ago at that weight due to work stress. It took eating all the time (or what felt like eating all the time) and lifting to add the extra lbs. I just cannot imagine eating 3500 calories or whatever. Friends swear by phera plex so seemed like a good alternative.

[raymond3]

Even if you did take the phera plex, eating only 2400-2600 calories wouldnt put much muscle on you, if any. You need to be eating around 3500 calories (or more) of good foods. I eat 2400 calories on a cut, and Im only 5' 11". Its really not that hard to eat 3500 calories, especially if you spread it over 6-7 meals.

[liftintexas]

I lied. I went to fit day and tracked ... I would say I'm closer to 2900-3200 on average

[Frank.S]

Ive honestly had to eat well over 5000 per day to gain size once i hit about 230lbs. Its not fun, ill tell you that!

[liftintexas]

not only not fun, but I'd never see my abs taking in that many calories. I'm not 21 anymore

[Frank.S]

Originally Posted by liftintexas

not only not fun, but I'd never see my abs taking in that many calories. I'm not 21 anymore

I said goodbye to having any sort of abs for about two years and after gaining more then 70lbs.. then loosing 20.. im seeing them again. Long road that few will even try. I dont think its possible to still see good abs over 5k calories for 99% of population (hey, i kept my top 2 lol)..but thats not the point. The goal is muscle gain.

We here so much crap about the whole 'dont bulk' stuff that alot of people have thrown it all out the window and have tried to gain serious mass on a 2500cal diet. They failed.

No, you dont need to be eating mcdonalds everyday, and eating everything in sight. You need to find out how much you need to eat to gain around .5-1lbs per week. For many males.. that number is actually quite high.

The person always trying to stay lean, never has any decent mass in almost all cases.

[Simon C]

It will take a bit of work, especially on the diet, but at 6 foot, you should be able to get to 200lbs in a few months no problem if you do it right.

That phera plex stuff sounds nasty!