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Not to bump an old article, but I'm considering going vegetarian (or perhaps just partially so).
After reading through the whole thread, I felt I needed to raise a couple of issues on the "evolutionary" aspect of our diet needs.
Humans did NOT evolve eating high levels of meat. In fact, if we had meat twice a week, we'd be considered lucky. Monkeys eat bugs, yes, but we are not monkeys. We didn't even evolve from monkeys. We evolved from apes. Apes hunt for meat (ironically, usually monkeys), and eat it maybe once or twice a week, again, if lucky.
Fossil records seem to indicate that human survived on a diet that was primarily plants and nuts for THOUSANDS of years. When we ate meat, it was mostly because we scavenged it before being scared off by some other predator (like saber tooth tigers - I'm not making this shit up).
Everything I've heard about the Paleo Diet from reputable anthropologists indicates that it's a toilet paper book - interesting, but mostly full of shit about what actually happened.
Humans didn't really have a "typical" diet. We were scavengers and ate whatever we could find. The "agriculture argument" someone brought up was very relevant, as it truly was the beginning of the downfall of the modern human diet. Far less variety, far more saturated fat and corn-based products.
Still not sure if I want to be vegetarian, or eat like a vegetarian, with the occasional bit of meat or fish supplemented in (I imagine the latter is the more healthy of the two).
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Humans did NOT evolve eating high levels of meat. In fact, if we had meat twice a week, we'd be considered lucky. Monkeys eat bugs, yes, but we are not monkeys. We didn't even evolve from monkeys. We evolved from apes. Apes hunt for meat (ironically, usually monkeys), and eat it maybe once or twice a week, again, if lucky.
Our ancestors most likely evolved under conditions where we were eating higher levels of meat compared to our living ape relatives, particularly when you start getting into species that fall into the genus Homo. We may have been scavengers at but we most likely did start to develop stone tools and hunting abilities pre-Homo sapien.
Not to bump an old article, but I'm considering going vegetarian (or perhaps just partially so).
After reading through the whole thread, I felt I needed to raise a couple of issues on the "evolutionary" aspect of our diet needs.
Humans did NOT evolve eating high levels of meat. In fact, if we had meat twice a week, we'd be considered lucky. Monkeys eat bugs, yes, but we are not monkeys. We didn't even evolve from monkeys. We evolved from apes. Apes hunt for meat (ironically, usually monkeys), and eat it maybe once or twice a week, again, if lucky.
Fossil records seem to indicate that human survived on a diet that was primarily plants and nuts for THOUSANDS of years. When we ate meat, it was mostly because we scavenged it before being scared off by some other predator (like saber tooth tigers - I'm not making this shit up).
Everything I've heard about the Paleo Diet from reputable anthropologists indicates that it's a toilet paper book - interesting, but mostly full of shit about what actually happened.
Humans didn't really have a "typical" diet. We were scavengers and ate whatever we could find. The "agriculture argument" someone brought up was very relevant, as it truly was the beginning of the downfall of the modern human diet. Far less variety, far more saturated fat and corn-based products.
Still not sure if I want to be vegetarian, or eat like a vegetarian, with the occasional bit of meat or fish supplemented in (I imagine the latter is the more healthy of the two).
Did our fish eating ancestors eat fish only twice a week, too? How'd they get it if they were scavenging it?
Some of our ancestors probably were like you describe, but some caught meat twice a week, then ate off the carcass for the rest of the week.
Some of them ate up to 125g of fiber a day, too. Don't try that.
Some ate mostly fatty meat from sea mammals and fish, with almost no veggies in the winter. Mmmm...
You're right there was no typical diet, but my guess is that there were zero vegetarians, unless they couldn't find meat at all.
The eat less meat crowd could have as much of a "toilet paper' agenda as the paleo-diet people do.
I am a vegetarian. Being that way does not make me healthier. Choosing better foods does. You can have a good balanced diet with or without meat. You can also crap up your diet with or without meat. I am a veggie for animal welfare. Simply because I really don't want to eat meat. However, that certainly does not mean that I am more healthy than others. I work VERY hard to get all my protein, B12, Vitamin D, and Iron in my diet. Its hard but its possible.
I don't reccomend it unless its for morals. There really aren't any health benefits to being a vegetarian. There are health benefits to eating healthier.
My sister is a vegan chef, and after years of debating with her, I did finally go vegetarian for one year. I learned more about food in that one year than all my previous years combined. I am longer vegetarian, but I certainly eat healthier now than ever. I have a persistent sister to thank for that. I rarely eat out, and I eat high quality meats and dairy in so far as I can afford it. I even plant a garden to get my veggies local, organic, and free. So, while I am no longer vegetarian, I do have a vegan to thank for a healthier diet (even if I disagree with her, at least I had to get educated in order to do so.)
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My sister is a vegan chef, and after years of debating with her, I did finally go vegetarian for one year. I learned more about food in that one year than all my previous years combined. I am longer vegetarian, but I certainly eat healthier now than ever. I have a persistent sister to thank for that. I rarely eat out, and I eat high quality meats and dairy in so far as I can afford it. I even plant a garden to get my veggies local, organic, and free. So, while I am no longer vegetarian, I do have a vegan to thank for a healthier diet (even if I disagree with her, at least I had to get educated in order to do so.)
That's one of the neat things that typically screws up the studies. One group being highly educated (typically the vegi's because they have to be) and then some folks that live on big macs and snow balls.
My old boss was on the other side of the curve. She was a vegi (or really someone that just didn't eat meat, no other dietary changes really) that ate like ass and was sick all the time and looked like she was about ready to fall over dead.
My old boss was on the other side of the curve. She was a vegi (or really someone that just didn't eat meat, no other dietary changes really) that ate like ass and was sick all the time and looked like she was about ready to fall over dead.
Yeah, that is my OTHER sister. I can't say she is a vegetarian because that would imply that she eats mostly vegetables. She's more like a candy-bararian, and she is very sickly.
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I quit eating animal meat and started eating vegans instead about a year ago. I have found that it is the best quality, free-range meat out there...although sometimes it is a bit too lean.
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