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Old 12-30-2007, 07:08 PM   #61 (permalink)
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I'll have to disagree on the amino acids when it comes to endurance athletes. Two riding seasons ago, I started adding it to my post ride recovery regimen (after seeing it was recommended by some coaches) and my muscles seemed 'fresher' and recovery happened quicker. But this may be an extreme case because 2, 3 and 4 hour rides multiple times a week is not the norm for most people in here.

But I'm open to be shown it's useless... it would save me a little cash during the summers.
BCAA's are not useless at all. They are very important for many things..

just buying them by themself is a scam when they are so readily availible to people in their diet (and whey protiens if you choose to add). look at the cost between 1 serving of whey protien a of and the same amount of BCAAs in pill form. The whey is not only much cheaper, but it also has... 20g of protein
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Old 12-30-2007, 08:04 PM   #62 (permalink)
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Thanks Frank. Here's my rub for me, and I admit my linkage is tenuous at best. I use whey isolate, mainly because it has zero dietary cholesterol, versus a decent amount for the full on whey. It probably isn't going to make a difference (after all, we know dietary cholesterol isn't as much of a factor in influencing serum cholesterol levels as much as genetics is) but since I have genetically high lipid levels, I'd just as soon stay away from adding dietary cholesterol through supps. Hence the isolate - which doesn't have the BCAAs (if I'm not mistaken).

Anyone, please feel free to educate me if I am incorrect in my thinking.
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Old 12-30-2007, 08:07 PM   #63 (permalink)
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I'll have to disagree on the amino acids when it comes to endurance athletes. Two riding seasons ago, I started adding it to my post ride recovery regimen (after seeing it was recommended by some coaches) and my muscles seemed 'fresher' and recovery happened quicker. But this may be an extreme case because 2, 3 and 4 hour rides multiple times a week is not the norm for most people in here.

But I'm open to be shown it's useless... it would save me a little cash during the summers.
Right. Not useless, per se. But if you went from no protein (or a solid meal a little later on) post-ride to BCAAs immediately post-ride, I'm sure you'd see a difference. 4 hours is a long time to ride with no real food.

In 20g of P (like whey), you get about 5g of BCAAs, so another way to get them would be to drink 20g P worth of protein powder, which also contains other EAAs. And, it's cheap, too.
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Old 12-30-2007, 08:11 PM   #64 (permalink)
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Well there are two things you want to look for in fish oil.

EPA/DHA

Here is a good article that tells about the basics of fishoil

TESTOSTERONE NATION - Fish Oil and Fat Loss

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Thanks Barrett. LOL - I was talking about the 'bad for the environment' part, but thanks for posting the link - I'm sure it will be helpful to many who read this thread.


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They get the fish oil mostly from menhaden, which are severely overfished. So much so that most states on the eastern seaboard, with the exception on VA and NC, have banned the primary harvesting company (Omega Proteins) from fishing in their waters.

In VA Omega is not allowed within 3 miles of the shore yet last year they were caught several times within 1/4 mile of the shore. They pay their meager fine and go happily on their way.

Hmm. Interesting. I hadn't even heard of this story. Now I need to see where Nordic Naturals get their stuff. I think I recall that they fish off the waters of Iceland, but I need to check that out. I don't want my fish oil habit to be doing that to the globe.
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Old 12-30-2007, 08:20 PM   #65 (permalink)
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Thanks Frank. Here's my rub for me, and I admit my linkage is tenuous at best. I use whey isolate, mainly because it has zero dietary cholesterol, versus a decent amount for the full on whey. It probably isn't going to make a difference (after all, we know dietary cholesterol isn't as much of a factor in influencing serum cholesterol levels as much as genetics is) but since I have genetically high lipid levels, I'd just as soon stay away from adding dietary cholesterol through supps. Hence the isolate - which doesn't have the BCAAs (if I'm not mistaken).

Anyone, please feel free to educate me if I am incorrect in my thinking.
In 20g P worth of whey protein isolate, there are 7.4g of BCAAs (assuming I did my math correctly).

Luecine, 3.2g
Isoluecine, 2.3g
Valine, 1.9
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Old 12-30-2007, 10:15 PM   #66 (permalink)
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hmmm, I see only one response adding creatine in there. Curious, are most just off it temporarily, or not taking it at all. I'm seriously considering adding it in, but very curious why most here aren't using it.

BTw - multivitamin, whey, fish oil, occasional B supp and/or ginseng.
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Old 12-30-2007, 10:25 PM   #67 (permalink)
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uhhh, nevermind.

Wise man once say "search before you ask..."
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Ktconroy...do you notice a difference in taking prenatal multi? I was thinking of switching...also what is biotin good for? Do you take soft fish oil caps?







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Prenatal multivitamin (not TTC, but MD told me it's better)
Vitamin C 1000mg
Glucosamine sulfate 1000mg
Omega 3 Fish Oil 1000mg
Biotin 1000mcg
Acidophilus 10mg
B complex
L-lysine 500mg
CLA 2000mg
Calcium, Magnesium, Zinc

I just added 5-HTP 50mg and Chromium Picolinate 200 mcg this week.

I take ON Whey protein PWO sometimes, but I try to get most of my protein from food, mostly cause I love to eat!

I take all my supps in the AM with meal 1. Is is better to take fish oil with every meal? Does anyone have opinions or evidence-based info regarding 5-HTP or Chromium Picolinate?
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I take fishoil and a multivitamin and whey protein. IS there any "best time" to take these supplements. I have been taking the whey after workouts and the multivitamin right when I wake up. The fishoil oil 1200mgs and I take three(if I can remember) after every meal.
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I take a multi, cal/mag with zinc, flaxseed oil, and b-complex.

What's the benefit of a pre-natal over a regular multi? I don't take a women's multi because there is too much iron which causes some, ummmmm, side effects. What's the difference between them?

I'm also considering glucosamine for hip joint pain. I quit drinking diet soda last year and I noticed a huge difference in my pain level. There's some who say artificial sweetners aggravate joint pain. Not sure on the accuracy of this though, but I noticed a difference.
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Ktconroy...do you notice a difference in taking prenatal multi? I was thinking of switching...also what is biotin good for? Do you take soft fish oil caps?
Yes, i've noticed a diff. with the prenatal vits in my hair and nails. Biotin helps with that also. Yes, i take soft fishoil caps, the enterec coated ones, cause the normal ones are yucky!
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I have noticed that many people take vitamin C. I have started taking them recently (1000mg) and was wondering how many a day to take? one or two?
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I have started taking an extra magnesium pill along with my multi and fish oil. Does anyone else do this? I read in Men’s Health that the multi vitamins don’t have that much magnesium and you should take an extra supplement of it daily.
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Old 01-10-2008, 11:42 AM   #74 (permalink)
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