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I am new to the forum, so please bear with my possibly elementary question.
I live in Colorado and there is a natural beef company that sells here that has 96% ground sirloin with the following nutritional facts for 4oz:
140 cal, 4.5g fat, 2g sat fat, 60mg chol, 85mg sodium, 24g protein, 0g carbs
I compared this with 4oz of boneless skinless chicken breast from a major company
110 cal, 2.5g fat, .5 sat fat, 65mg chol, 180mg sodium, 23g protein, 0g carbs
My question is I always hear that red meat = bad for cholesterol, but this seems to have less than the chicken. Is it just "eat less than 300mg a day no matter what type" or is cholesterol in chicken not as worse as the beef?
Dietary cholesterol doesnt necessarily equal higher cholesterol in the body.
cholesterol is very highly genetic unfortunately for some. Take for example my girlfriend, 20 year old, eats cleaner then anyone ive ever met, works out/trains daily and lives a healthy lifestyle, has slightly high cholesterol.
Me, workout 3-4x per week, eat red meat 2-4 times per day, start my day off with 8-12 eggs to boot. and my cholesterol is great, actually, my HDL was right at the top of the reference.
Cholesterol is just a chemical structure, doesnt matter where it comes from. The saturated fat may have more to do with it then the cholesterol, but honestly, i doubt that too. Run a search on these forums about cholesterol, I started a thread where I learned a hell of a lot about it.
Banditt, I'm new here too and I don't know what the belief is here about cholesterol. This is my disclaimer since there seem to be many differing opinions on many subjects.
What part of CO do you live? I'm also in CO and can probably tell you some stuff about the different meat companies.
Let's start with the basics...
Why are you concerned with the cholesterol in your food? Do you have a history of high cholesterol?
You'll be surprised to learn that there really is no correlation between dietary cholesterol and blood cholesterol. Cholesterol has gotten quite the bad rap lately because people have become relatively unhealthy. Cholesterol is actually very vital to keeping you alive and serves numerous good purposes.
Not only do you get cholesterol from food, but your body naturally produces it. Your body decides how much cholesterol it needs in its blood. Therefore, if you eat more cholesterol, your body will produce less. If you eat less cholesterol, your body will produce more.
Those with higher cholesterol need to find the reason as to why they have high cholesterol. It's not because of dietary cholesterol but it could be because of diet(amongst other things).
With that being said, you should be eating red meat as well as chicken.
For the entire population no, but for a large subset, yes.
It can be partly due to dietary cholesterol, but there are bazillion other factors at play.
What subset of the population are you referring to?
I agree that there are many other factors involved which is why an entire assessment must be done to pinpoint the cause(s).
If you are saying that the answer for this "subset" of the population is to fix their cholesterol problem by limiting or eliminating dietary cholesterol, then I have to strongly disagree with you.
People with high cholesterol have it for a reason and it is most certainly not because of dietary cholesterol. Treat the root of the problem, not the symptom.
What subset of the population are you referring to?
typically hypercholesterolemics, and especially those consuming higher levels of saturates.
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If you are saying that the answer for this "subset" of the population is to fix their cholesterol problem by limiting or eliminating dietary cholesterol, then I have to strongly disagree with you.
typically hypercholesterolemics, and especially those consuming higher levels of saturates.
What a nice stawman you have built.
Some people do need more dietary cholesterol and saturated fats and some people do not. Dietary needs differ from one person to another. The main causes for high cholesterol from diet are from processed foods, processed(trans) and rancid fats, and a high sugar diet. There are many cultural groups and indigenous tribes that eat very high cholesterol and fat and have very little if no heart disease.
People with hypercholesterolemia are a very small subset of people. I have seen this condition before but very rarely. This is a genetic condition which I have not found to be linked to dietary cholesterol or saturated fat intake.
There are many cultural groups and indigenous tribes that eat very high cholesterol and fat and have very little if no heart disease.
Some areas do consume a large quantity of cholesterol, fat and suffer minimal heart disease, however using their examples to define food intakes for america would be somewhat niave.
If we take the masai, who consume large quanties of fat and cholesterol in their dairy, blood and meat heavy diets. If you go back to some of the published work on these people, they suffered atherosclerotic plaques in their aorta, just like would be expected within european/american society, but, the major difference is that the aorta are larger than would be normal for the american population.
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People with hypercholesterolemia are a very small subset of people. I have seen this condition before but very rarely. This is a genetic condition which I have not found to be linked to dietary cholesterol or saturated fat intake.
you are thinking of familial hypercholesterolemia.
The term hypercholesterolemia just covers high cholesterol levels in their blood.
Some areas do consume a large quantity of cholesterol, fat and suffer minimal heart disease, however using their examples to define food intakes for america would be somewhat niave.
If we take the masai, who consume large quanties of fat and cholesterol in their dairy, blood and meat heavy diets. If you go back to some of the published work on these people, they suffered atherosclerotic plaques in their aorta, just like would be expected within european/american society, but, the major difference is that the aorta are larger than would be normal for the american population.
you are thinking of familial hypercholesterolemia.
The term hypercholesterolemia just covers high cholesterol levels in their blood.
I agree, that would be a very naive statement. You will never hear me say that there is 1 or even 2 diets that define the way that Americans should eat. Many cultures thrive off of that diet(high fat, low carb), but many do not. To say that no Americans would thrive from this diet would also be naive. With Americans being such a melting pot of different cultures there will never be 1 right way for Americans to eat.
This is why proper diets must be individualized based on the needs of that person. There are some diets that promote this very way of thinking such as the Metabolic Typing diet, by William L. Wolcott, which takes into account numerous factors in determining what works best with an individual, including their cultural background and how they react to different macro-nutrients.
The typical American diet contains much more processed foods, high sugar, and more grains and much less saturated fats, less fat in general, and less protein. I think that this is pretty evident if you look at the widespread use of large amounts of wheat in today's food supply.
If you take someone who does need more fats and more dietary cholesterol and put them on the typical American diet of high sugar and high carb, they will end up with high levels of cholesterol in their blood. If you take that same person and put them on a higher fat, low sugar, and lower carb diet their cholesterol gets better.
Typically, people who should be eating more carbs, less fat, and possibly less protein do eat the typical American diet and have no health concerns and no cholesterol problems. There is no reason for these people to change their diets as they will not respond well to more fats/proteins and less carbs.
Cholesterol is not always as "genetic" as people say. The "genetic" factor, sometimes, has more to do with the fact that children tend to eat the same as their parents ate. So if you have a parent eating bad with high cholesterol, then you will, in more cases, have a child eating bad with high cholesterol. And the same goes for the opposite scenario. It's not always "genetic" but rather that people don't eat the right things to meet their individual needs.
I think I've beat this topic to death. Just like everything, there are differing opinions. I would suggest for anyone interested in reading more about this to check out the Weston A. Price Foundation
I wouldnt suggest Weston A Price anything... well other than how to take bad research and run with it.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Some people actively choose to do something about their health instead of giving up and accepting the "genetic" excuse.
There are many people who choose to be truly healthy and fix the problem instead of masking the symptom with medication which can easily lead to other health risks.
and then there is a site spreading garbage information to susceptible individuals.
Ha ha.
I guess I'm just one healthy susceptible individual.
So, if every male in my family has a history of high cholesterol and is on cholesterol lowering medication... what is wrong with me? Why am I the genetic abnormality that has no cholesterol problems?
Either scientists should study me because my genes contain the cure to the genetic cholesterol problem or maybe it is because I choose to eat healthy.
I guarantee that I consume more dietary cholesterol, overall fats, and saturated fats than anyone on this forum(yes, this is what my individual body needs to be at optimal health) and I have no signs of any health risks.
I guess simple concepts of mendelian inheritance are difficult, or perhaps are you a clone of your parents or siblings?
Nobody has ever said everyone responds the same way to dietary influencers of cholesterol. But of course a lovely n=1 is a great way of trying to substantiate the garbage that comes from the price foundation.
besides developing a large part of their paradigm from observational data from a dentist 60+ years ago, to hand picking research to support their current crusades, they rate amonst the best quality quacks currently available.
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