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Old 01-09-2008, 02:53 PM   #91 (permalink)
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LD, our you planning on using Plan A (aka diet) to get shredded, rather than relying more on exercise? I am planning on doing your above plan myself (after the initial 4-6 weeks), but I have a lot more body fat than you do. I figured it I did get to a lower body fat, say 10%-14%, I would have to do something different to get to the "cover man" chiseled look.
I hope so. I got pretty lean last year doing Plan A, then I started adding some muscle. I'd like to get leaner, this time.

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I'm sure this has been answered, but what about peas? They aren't mentioned specifically as being a starchy vegetable in the book, but they aren't exactly mentioned as ok either. I always thought they were considered a starchy vegetable along with corn and carrots. Any thoughts?
Peas are a legume. I think they might be mentioned in the bean section. Starchy carb, I'm afraid.
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Old 01-09-2008, 06:46 PM   #92 (permalink)
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I'm having one problem with TNT so far.

Breakfast. I cannot "stand" eating eggs everyday. Does anybody know any other alternative for breakfast meals? The book mostly indicates meals that includes eggs.
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sausage and cheese?
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you can always have lunch or dinner - meat, veggies, salad, leftovers from the night before.
I generally have a protein shake & some nuts.
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Old 01-09-2008, 07:24 PM   #95 (permalink)
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Sometimes I never have breakfast foods. Steak sounds good.
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Oh okay. I'm not entirely done reading the book yet but I thought that you had to have 3 meals per day + snacks. (Obviously, I'm not at the food chapter yet.) - But, if I can replace breakfast by any other meal such as dinner or lunch.. that's amazing.

Sometime my lazy ass wakes up around 12-1pm. I always thought that I was screwing my "food" schedule by "sorta" skipping the breakfast part.
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the point is, you don't have to have eggs for breakfast - eat whatever you want that is on plan, whatever time of day it falls. that's a different question than skipping meals and/or sleeping in.
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Breakfast does not have to be traditional breakfast food. On workdays I usually drink a protein shake before I leave or in the car so I can sleep a bit later. Then around 9:30 I'll eat a can of tuna with mayo or some other non-traditional breakfast food, but hey I grew up in a family that would sometimes eat breakfast food for supper.
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Old 01-10-2008, 10:18 AM   #99 (permalink)
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Just thought I would throw in my 2 cents. Almost every work day I have the same breakfast. 2 scoops of protein powder, splash of heavy whipping cream, 1tbsp of carlsons fish oil and some milled flax seeds. Not the tastiest thing in the world but its quick and easy and allows me to get to work on time( mostly). Usually, only on the weekends do I go the normal breafast food route, my favorite being chorizo / egg scramble!
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Day 2 of plan A...feeling pretty good, although always a little hungry? Anyone else feel this way? I mean Im not starving but after eating 6-8 meals typically with P+C+F I felt full after each feeding. Now I never really feel full...Actually looking a little more defined than before, curious to see what happens after one full week, much less 4 weeks
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Day 2 of plan A...feeling pretty good, although always a little hungry? Anyone else feel this way? I mean Im not starving but after eating 6-8 meals typically with P+C+F I felt full after each feeding. Now I never really feel full...Actually looking a little more defined than before, curious to see what happens after one full week, much less 4 weeks
It's hard to know after a day.

I encourage people in week one to eat more fat. Some people say that they are afraid to get used to eating "extra" fat, but you can use more oil to cook, more oil on your veggies, drink cream where you wouldn't normally, spoonful of butter, etc.

You really want to eat high fat. Don't be afraid of it. And, in week one, before your body can easily draw from it's own fat stores, you gotta give it plenty of fat. The source doesn't matter as much. Have that chicken skin that you've felt guilty about for all your life.

Next week, still eat high fat, but you won't need to push the extra fat, just eat it naturally.

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LD's right. First day or two, I tended to feel hungry, until I started eating more fat. Butter on my veggies, topping my baked skinless chicken breast with some cheese, ranch dressing on some raw broccoli. The fat keeps you sated and helps keep the carb cravings down.
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thx LD and Bill...I see what you guys mean about "guilty pleasures" I also look a little better, not neccesarily more defined but definitely harder and even though I'm a little flat, Im not puffy like when I eat carbs...Just a little more cranky in between feedings. Any of you up your meal frequency? I just snacked on 1oz chees,1 cup cauliflowerw/1oz ranch dressing,10 pepperoni slices , 1oz almonds and Im starting to feel hungry after 15 minutes. Normal??
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Old 01-12-2008, 06:47 PM   #104 (permalink)
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I've tried eating more often, but the last two months, I've switched to 4 larger meals, with maybe one snack. It's easier to live.
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Just go buy the book ... it is less than $20!!! And includes a good workout program ...
I'm debating.

I still have my Atkins book and so far, I'm simply not seeing a difference between the two.

The biggest review was "the difference is night an day." I respect the person that said that, but that's one of those lame reviews that doesn't say a damned thing. That's a step above "it rawks!"

There is another issue: when I did atkins, I stayed on P1 for about 3 months to maximize the loss, then when I finally transitioned to P2, where I could add nuts, I found I had great intestinal discomfort eating nuts.

I did some research and it turned out to be an enzyme or fungal issue with nuts. I got unadapted to processing nuts and little I could do besides bearing the pain and forcing my body to readapt could assuage the suffering (and I'm talking keeled over suffering). If TNT restricts nuts also, I'm not better off.

I probably also couldn't follow the recipes. I simply cannot stand cooked greens of any kind. I think cooked broccoli is one of the nastiest smells on the planet. Right next to sewer back flow. Cauliflower is no better.
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I've tried eating more often, but the last two months, I've switched to 4 larger meals, with maybe one snack. It's easier to live.
LD if you could give me an idea of what a larger meal would entail...Im currently eating a 6-8oz portion of meat,some veggies,nuts/or fats...maybe an ounce or 2 of cheese...how much bigger are you talking(or is my appetite just that large). Before TNT I would basically have similar size meals with the additioin of a carb source and way less fat.
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LD if you could give me an idea of what a larger meal would entail...Im currently eating a 6-8oz portion of meat,some veggies,nuts/or fats...maybe an ounce or 2 of cheese...how much bigger are you talking(or is my appetite just that large). Before TNT I would basically have similar size meals with the additioin of a carb source and way less fat.
Hard to say. I still eat about the same amount of food in my day, I just moved the food from the "missing" meals or snacks to the ones that are left. If I had 6 four oz meat portions before, now I would have 4 six oz portions.

When you say you're cranky in between feedings, it could be because it's still early. Just a couple of days is not enough to know to change anything.

Plus, some people eat lots of tiny snacks all day and do fine, while others eat the same amount of food in 3 meals and do equally well. It's what you get used to. Your body adapts to meal frequency, too.
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more cheese, put some dressing or something on your vegi's
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I just finished my 1st workout on TNT...big dissapointment. I gassed rather quickly (Rosstraining style workout). Anyway I will be going back to NROL of lifting strength 2 this week hopefully the longer rest periods will help! I will also bump my cal way up on my 1st couple meals( I usually work out at lunch time) I'm also due to start BJJ soon, any thoughts on nutrition?
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Week one, don't worry about losing or anything. Just eat more fat. It's an investment in next week.
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Fortunately for me, I could easily live on eggs, cheese and dry salami. I picked up a giant Italian salami and some assorted cheeses at Sam's a couple weeks ago, that's been lunch and even dinner a few days last week, likely this week too. And my HR manager has a bunch of hens, she brings a couple dozen eggs every Monday.
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So it's okay for me to have protein and veggies, also Can I have Nature's best zero carb isopure while I'm on the tnt diet. Thanks
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I don't know what that is. The book pretty much lists all the things you can have. Is that something that's on the list?
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yeah it's whey protein with no carbs because I'll be doing Plan A of the tnt
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I don't understand your question - you have the TNT book - what makes you wonder if your pp is allowed or not on TNT-A ?
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I use whey with 2g C per serving. A couple grams is not going to mess up Plan A.
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just interrupting the thread to say been on TNT for 2 weeks now and already notice a difference. haven't lost any weight, just fat! Which was my goal. I can actually see abs coming through. yeah. great book, guys.
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so what whey protein do you guys use I have a hard time on choosing the more expensive route by going with the nature's best whey isopure zero carb or the optium whey 100% which is much cheaper but has a few carbs
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If you like the way ON tastes, it's fine.

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