LG Sciences products (prohormones and such)

[Chris Correia]

What does anyone know about these products, or such products? I've done some searching and reading, but what I found is light. I'm hoping someone has an easier answer or a ready link or two.

[raymond3]

Chris- can you post it here...my work police wont allow me to access it

From what you are asking though, I would go over to mindandmuscle.net...they would be able to tell you anything you want to know about it.

[Chris Correia]

Thanks for that link. There are four products of note. My son brought Methyl 1-D to my attention. They sell it at GNC, where he works. He reported a few older customers who spoke well of the product. I got curious and went to the company site. Then I went to the LG site and saw their other products as well. I got curious enough to investigate further and possibly experiment for a month. My basic questions are, " What of this possibly works, and what of this can mess you up?


METHYL 1-D may be one of the most potent androgens since the prohormone ban in January 2005. With METHYL 1-D, you get an AAS (anabolic/androgenic steroid) hormone that s a chemical cousin to Testosterone. METHYL 1-D converts easily into TEST and also has an estrogen blocker to prevent bloat and bitch tits along with a 5aR inhibitor, so you can keep your hair. This is by far the safest product on the market that still gives prohormone results. You ll get solid gains in muscle mass without the bloated look you get from many steroids.

Additionally, you may also see yourself become more cut with every week because one pleasant side effect may be the blocking of an enzyme called glucose-6-phosphate-dehydrogenase. Scientists believe this enzyme may block the body s ability to store and produce fat. One study showed a mean body fat reduction of 31% in only 28 days with no change in body weight which means more muscle and less fat! I personally saw this first hand on my friend that took METHYL 1-D for 3 weeks and lost 3 inches on his waist while his bench press went up 30 lbs!

Did we forget to mention the effects on libido and sexual endurance? Study after study shows how the compounds in METHYL 1-D improve every aspect of your sexual performance too.
The Breakdown

• Extreme Gains in Strength and Size
• Skyrocketing Testosterone Levels
• Increased Muscle Mass
• Supercharged Sex Drive
• Increased Fat Loss
• No Gyno Or Estrogen Effects due to the estrogen blocker
• No Hair Loss because we block DHT
• Ramped up Metabolism and Thermogenesis
• Greater Conversion of Glucose to Energy rather than Fat.
• Incredible Sense of Power That Comes from a Boost in Testosterone
• No Gyno Or Estrogen Effects due to the estrogen blocker
• No Hair Loss because we block DHT
• Ramped up Metabolism and Thermogenesis
• Greater Conversion of Glucose to Energy rather than Fat.
• Nutritional Profile:
  Serving Size: 1 Capsule
  Servings Per Container: 90
  
  Amount Per Serving:
  
  Hormonal Optimizer
  3-beta-hydroxyetioallocholan-5-ene-17-one 100mg
  1,4,6-etioallocholan-dione 4mg
  Zinc Asparate 5mg
  
  Metabolism Complex 105mg
  Quercetin
  Beta Sitosterol
  Milk Thistle
  
  Suggested Use:
  As a dietary supplement for adult males, take 5-6 capsules per day in divided doses 35 minutes before meals. Use for up to 12 weeks. Take with Transform for the ultimate stack.

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Formadrol Extreme combines two of the best-known anti-estrogen ingredients to make one killer product whether you are on cycle or off cycle. Avoid any estrogen-related side effects by boosting normal testosterone levels with Formadrol Extreme.
The Breakdown
Formadrol contains the suicide inhibitor 4-Hydroxy Androstenedione. This is proven to bind to Aromatase in Formadrol, slowing the nasty enzyme that converts testosterone into estrogen. Estrogen conversion through Aromatase is a key factor in destroying your gains and stopping you from becoming lean and vascular. This is a problem you will not have with Formadrol. On cycle, Formadrol is a great way to prevent the symptoms of extra estrogen like gyno and increased water weight. Off cycle, Formadrol provides a positive testosterone to estrogen ratio that can help restore natural testosterone production.

Legal Gear also added Diadzin, a phyto-chemical, to Formadrol. Diadzin has a positive effect: it is a competitive estrogen inhibitor, which like Nolva and Clomid, prevents binding of real estrogen to your receptors. Secondly, Diadzin is a partial binder of 5 alpha reductase (5aR); the other nasty enzyme that is responsible for hair loss. Post cycle Formadrol may help re-grow lost hair and boost normal testosterone levels. Using Formadrol on or off cycle will increase androgen levels and reduce estrogen.

Powerful strength gains
Explosive muscle growth
Water retention eliminated
Outrageous Definition
Increased mental focus and confidence
Phenomenal sex drive

Nutritional Profile:
Serving Size: 1 Capsule
Servings Per Container: 60
Amount Per Serving
3,17-keto-etiocholene-4-ol 30mg
3,17-keto-etiocholene-diene 25mg
Diadzein 20mg

Suggested Use:
As an on-cycle anti-estrogen (stacked with aromatizable pro-hormones like Methy-4-AD+) take 2 Formadrol capsules per day in divided doses. As post cycle therapy after a pro-hormone cycle take 3 Formadrol capsules per day for week 1 and 2 Formadrol capsules per day for weeks 2 and week 3. Then take 1 Formadrol capsule per day for week 4. Check with your doctor before using any pro-hormone product. Formadrol is not intended for women or men under the age of 21.


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I-GH-1 will help you achieve the major goal of losing fat while gaining muscle. GH is the secret anabolic used by many to increase performance or stack with other hormones. The most useful of all hormones, GH can be stacked with SPEED� to increase fat loss or Methyl 1-D� to increase size and strength. GH is released during a workout or during sleep. Our proprietary GH Secretagogue is the most advanced formulation on the market and will help you achieve your body transformation goals.
The Breakdown
Growth Hormone is all over the news because of its ability to pack on pounds of lean mass when stacked with other hormones. Virtually unknown until recently, this powerful hormone has become the anabolic of choice for those wishing to build solid, lean gains that stick with you for years to come. I-GH-1 uses the most advanced Growth Hormone Secretagogues on the market along with a fast delivery liquid system to give you a boost of GH at the times your body is in its most anabolic growth hormone, state, before workouts. This delivery system is already prized in anabolic circles for its GH stimulating properties. Start seeing body composition changes from the very first dose! Experience the smooth, clean power that only GH can deliver in your next workout. I-GH-1 starts with the KING of secretagogs, Arginine Pyroglutamate! Not like any other form of Arginine, this special molecule will force your body to produce GH better than anything on the market, we also included a generous dose of Ornithine AKG and PURE L-Dopa (a LG Sciences first). Unlike the standard 15% L-Dopa, our 95% standardized extract gives you a more potent punch than anything on the market and L-Dopa is a PROVEN GH releaser that will jack up production when combined with the other ingredients. Only I-GH-1 gives you the top nutrients science can supply to flood your body with GH when it needs it most.



Nutritional Profile:
Serving Size: 1 Capsule
Servings per Container: 100
Amount Per Serving
GH Secretagogue Complex 760mg
Arginine Pyroglutamate
Ornithine AKG
Mucuna Pruriens (standardized for 99% L-Dopa)
Astragalus Membranaceus (root)
L-Lysine

Suggested Use:
Take 4-7 capsules per day on an empty stomach. On workout days, take 20 minutes prior to workout. On non-workout days, take before bedtime. Stack with Methyl 1-D to increase strength and mass or Speed to increase fat burning.



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LIQUID MASTERDROL
You may not know this but LegalGear's Masterdrol Series was the best selling prohormone in our entire line, even better than Methyl 1-Test! We were the first to release methyl delivery systems, which revolutionized prosteroids and we have done it again with LIQUID MASTERDROL! We give to you the final product in our MASTERDROL SERIES.
The Breakdown
The original Masterdrol was a huge success, quickly followed by Masterdrol V2 (RIP from the ban of 2004) and Methyl-Masterdrol (RIP in the FDA ban of 2005). We proudly give you Liquid Masterdrol, the final in the series�our ultimate creation. With the passing of LegalGear and the licensing of the product line to LG Sciences, we knew we needed to revive this monster and give the people what they want...the calls were too great, the people demanded the results�and of course we delivered, AGAIN!
LegalGear was a brand that is known for innovation and quality. I can�t tell you the countless emails stating �your M1T worked better than any other brand on the market� �I love your Masterdrol� �can I still buy Methyl 1-P?�. LG Sciences provides the same GMP certified quality, honesty and science. LegalGear was the first company to include NAC in it�s Methyl 1-Test, it was also the first company to include the cholesterol fighter policosanol in it�s other prohormones. LG Sciences gives the same great quality, safety and ingredients as the old LegalGear used to provide.
So, we had an impossible job ahead of us, find something LEGAL that works like the old Masterdrol.
What was the problem? Find something that works. Progestins that work are gone, SD, DMT and HD are gone, so we had to find another winner that would be 100% legal and still be a prohormone that gives results like the old stuff without getting another letter. Will Liquid Masterdrol ever be banned? Who knows, with the climate the way it is in professional sports, you just never know, but for now it is 100% legal and 100% potent.

Nutritional Profile:
Serving Size: 8 mL (1 spoon equals 4 mL)
Servings per Container: 30
Amount Per Serving
Prohormone Complex 300mg
Epihyroxyetioallocholan-17-one ethyl ester
Yohimbine HCL

Suggested Use:
The best way to take Liquid Masterdrol, depending on if you stack it or take it alone: By itself, take 1 dose of Liquid Masterdrol per day on off days with 20oz of water and use 2 doses on workout days with 20oz of water for up to 8 weeks. (2 on training days, 1 on off days) When stacked with Methyl 1-D or any other Methyl Prohormone, take 2 Servings of Liquid Masterdrol with 20oz of water right before workouts to provide immediate gains in intensity and strength. At the end of your cycle, use Formdrol Extreme at 3-4 capsules per day for post cycle therapy to boost natural testosterone production. Better yet combine Formadrol Extreme with Transform to keep size and strength gains post cycle.

[Leigh P.]

Chris did you read some of these descriptions?

You really want to chance putting something in your body that has bitch tits and "I personally saw this first hand on my friend that took METHYL 1-D for 3 weeks and lost 3 inches on his waist while his bench press went up 30 lbs!"

I am short on time but bascally what you have here is

Methyl 1-D-poor mans steriods that just can cross the ban line.
Bad for the liver, doesn't even work that well for everyone and bye bye sex drive for most (even though it claims otherwise)

Formadrol-Anti-estrogen...just eat some broccoli

I-GH-1-Usually stacked with Methyl, same bull really.

Liquid Masterdrol-also usually stacked with methyl and same crap..

So I am curious are you just looking for steriods but on a legal route? Also for the most part these products really just give slight mass and little to no gains in strength.

No need to bother your liver for crap results is what I say.

[Alan Aragon]

Originally Posted by Chris Correia

Thanks for that link. There are four products of note. My son brought Methyl 1-D to my attention. They sell it at GNC, where he works. He reported a few older customers who spoke well of the product. I got curious and went to the company site. Then I went to the LG site and saw their other products as well. I got curious enough to investigate further and possibly experiment for a month. My basic questions are, " What of this possibly works, and what of this can mess you up?

Chris, don't forget that the supp industry is completely unregulated. When you reach the seedy corners of prohormone products, it's safe to assume you're in the "red light district" of the supp industry. At best, they're inert compounds that lean out your wallet. At worst, it's contaminated shit that's not worth the piss on the bathroom floor of the basement where it was manufactured, and can do insidious harm.

[Chris Correia]

Thanks for that feedback (or bitch slaps ), Leigh and Alan. I've always been a non-roids, don't cheat, don't take shit guy. I think recent periods of despair over dropping fat and muscling up a bit put me in the "If they sell it at GNC, maybe try it for a month or two." mindset. I can't imagine taking anything like that ongoing, for both financial (though it's a lot cheaper online ) as well as potential health reasons. Of course, it's like smoking weed when I was young: just try it this one time.

I figured the shit I'd get from people here would keep me off the horse.

Plus, I've lost a few pounds recently, and appear a tad more muscular. It's amazing what tracking cals does! I'm just trying to more look and be the part of a 47 year old martial artist/instructor. I'm trying to improve things from my current status as a pretty fit and capable, but small and softish old guy.

[raymond3]

Chris- Ill look into this and get back to you. Like the pp's said though (and from the little I do know about it), you would probably be almost better going with regular steriods vs these kind of things. Im curious why they didnt state whether you need PCT's or not. Usually with any prohormones, or at least steroids, you need some sort of PCT to get your natural test running again, as well as protect your liver.

The results sound nice (almost too nice) for me to believe you can run a cycle, and not have to worry about the things I stated above. Either that, or they are full of shit. I could be wrong, but I think liquid masterdrol is some sort of 'superdrol' that was recently banned as well. The problem with alot of this shit is that they try to figure a way (by changing the molecular structure) to make it legal. Then, once its studied or found out, it becomes illegal. Some of these products tend to be worse for you than the real thing, which is why sometimes its more worth it to just do a regular cycle if this is the route you wish to take. Give me a few and Ill look more into this and get back to you. Im not saying you (or anyone else for that matter) are going to try these products, but if you are, you should at least know everything about it.

Edit: okay, I do see where they say pct is needed, and one of the products does contain milk thistle.

[Kevin Larrabee]

Chris,

My room mate looked into taking prohormones, Havoc, EPI and so on.

I went to a few sorces for info on the subject to give him my opinion.

http://anabolicminds.com has a forum with a bunch of logs from people who used products like these, what dosages they took, what gave them teh best results without the side effects. Although they seem to be ok with their balls shrinking to "raisins" during the cycle because they will return to form during their PCT.

It seems that the 2 most popular are Havoc and Epistane or something like that.

Most were told to eat like crazy, lift heavy and look for 20 lbs in 4 weeks easily.

I basically talked him out of it, the guy was pretty big already, just needed to keep doing what is natural for the most part.

I just don't think its worth it in the long run to risk hairloss, acne, man boobs, testicle shrinkage, liver problems, ect.

[Frank.S]

All this stuff is unproven, and who knows what could happen to you.

If your going to change around your hormones with supplements, you may as well just take some testosterone. I mean, its by far the most backed up.. Way easier on your system etc.

[Chris Correia]

Originally Posted by Kevin Larrabee

I just don't think its worth it in the long run to risk hairloss, acne, man boobs, testicle shrinkage, liver problems, ect.

Hairloss? I'm already in dire straits in that area. Screw that! LOL

Thanks, Kevin.

[Chris Correia]

Originally Posted by Frank.S

All this stuff is unproven, and who knows what could happen to you.

If your going to change around your hormones with supplements, you may as well just take some testosterone. I mean, its by far the most backed up.. Way easier on your system etc.

Very true.

My T level was recently tested at 400-ish which is in the normal, albeit lower normal, range. My doc didn't then recommend any action, and I didn't ask at that point. But I might just talk to him more about that down the line.

[Jason B]

It's a bunch of crap, orals are bad for the liver, the gains aren't worth the side-effects of these 'imitation' steroids. If you're gonna do it, just do your research, get some moderate doses of test, proper PCT, and do it right.

[Chris Correia]

Thanks for the helpful feedback, folks. Just confirming my suspicions.

[mm1snapper]

Hey guys i looked into this supp alot and considered taking it. Basically the ingrediants are another precurser to ando which will convert to test, and also contains dhea. I would suggest doing a goodle search and reading up on everything you find. Most people havent had any bad sides from what ive found. Hope this helps some...

[fayman]

Chris,

Years ago I took Ergopharm's 1-AD and 4-AD, before the ban. Like you, I had leaned out and was looking to put on some lean mass. I did one cycle, followed by an off-cycle of 6-OXO.

Yeah, it worked wonders (for me, at least) and I put on close to 10# without really affecting my body fat. It cost me a good $200 or more for everything.

2-3 weeks after the cycle I'd lost most of my gains. It was like I "ballooned" up from the prohormones, and without them the air was let out of me.

I'm not proud of it, thinking back, and it was more a waste of money than anything. A really clean bulking phase and some serious dedication to a good program could yield the same results.

Just my 2 cents.