Clean Eating.

[Frank.S]

My metabolism seems to be very fast. My BMR seems to be around 4000-4500cals. If I constantly eat this much, I dont lose or gain any significant weight. Ive had my thyroid tested in the past and it has came back on the high end of the range, but not enough to do anything about it (the range is HUGE, thats another story)

To gain, I need to add 500-1000 onto that minimum. This quickly becomes a hell of a lot of food.

Now, im someone who doesnt really cheat meals. Maybe ill have something 'unhealthy' once a month, maybe. I stick to meat, eggs, veggies, whole wheat breads and pastas, lots of nuts and oils, and dairy. Im getting more then enough protien.. Im growing muscle quite well imo.

My question is this,

For the last week or so ive been doing things a bit differently. Instead of regular milk, ill drink chocolate, after eating a good meal, a couple of cookies sure gets the cals up fast.

Now, if my cals stay at the same level, in short, will it matter? Im sick of doing olive oil shots before bed to get in the cals. Id rather eat a bowl of cereal.

So, my eating would be less clean, but it would be reaching calorie goals much easier (protien would still be fine).

Whats going to happen given a few months time? If im still getting all the healthy fats that I need, still getting the protien, still getting lots of nutrition, is an extra 500+ cals of 'junk' going to matter?

[Lost Dog]

You should listen to the Dave Tate/John Berardi Fitcast. It was the anniversary episode.

They pretty much covered this same issue with Dave's diet over time.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Lost Dog

You should listen to the Dave Tate/John Berardi Fitcast. It was the anniversary episode.

They pretty much covered this same issue with Dave's diet over time.

I was just about to say the same thing. Dave started out pretty much the same, tons of clean food but it wasn't working. He slowly added junk until over a period of about 10-12 years his diet was all crap just to get cals in. My suggestion to you would be to begin down this same path, but not go as far. Adding junk to an already good diet may be the only way to get the cals in, you can't keep stuffing your face with chicken and vegetables, it won't work. Try not to replace the good stuff you're already eating, just add the 'calorie enhancers' (I like that term ) to your current diet.

[Lost Dog]

Also, it may be that the body quickly adapts, too. Just like people like me take breaks from dieting to rev the metabolism back up, maybe people like you (ie., lucky freakin' bastards) need to make efforts to slow things back down. Take breaks from eating big.

Just a thought.

[BFG]

sugar far better than shite fats

there I have said it the insulin spike nazis will start now

[OldGuy]

Have a cookie, Frank.

[ParanoidAndroid]

Try it for a month and see how it works. If you're putting on muscle, then cool, keep doing it. If you are putting on too much fat for your liking, than clean it up a bit. The only thing I would avoid is really unhealthy stuff like trans fats.

[Michael Roussell]

I just want to get this straight....you eat 1.5 cups of peanut butter a day and take olive oil shots at night?

[BFG]

methinks his arteries would be nice and furry by now!!!!!!!! And his calculator cant be that accurate

[Blackjack]

Originally Posted by BFG

sugar far better than shite fats

there I have said it the insulin spike nazis will start now

I'd agree with that, but the fact of the matter is that fat is more calorie-dense. I'm not speaking for Frank, but I suspect that's why he chose to increase his fat intake. (9 calories per gram vs. 4 calories per gram of Carb)

We could all have such problems...fast metabolism...

[tkinsley]

Originally Posted by Michael Roussell

I just want to get this straight....you eat 1.5 cups of peanut butter a day and take olive oil shots at night?

HAHAHAHA!

Sounds like it... damn, am I jealous!

[Frank.S]

Originally Posted by Michael Roussell

I just want to get this straight....you eat 1.5 cups of peanut butter a day and take olive oil shots at night?

Olive oil shots only when I dont hit caloric goals.

The peanut butter trick is good (adding it to every meal). I dont do it ALL the time. But, on days I dont feel like eating, yes. Blackjack is right, its easier to get cals from fats (9 v 4).

And for those who think im 'lucky'.. Its all a matter of where you are at. I hate eating this much, probally as much as you hate eating little.

I assure you my cals are pretty accurate, within a few % either way.

I listened to the thing by tate and berardi, seems to make sense. I agree he took it to far though..I would never do that.

I think im going to relax a bit, make sure I get my cals and protien in, and not worry to much about the rest. Ive thought in the past also that excess carbs would mess with my insulin levels to much, but this doesnt really seem like the case anymore.. No diabeties or chlorestoral probelems in the history of my family either (and many are over 300lbs...).. so who knows.

[RobLL]

My suspicion is that you have an extraordinary tolerance of carbs, so go ahead and enjoy pancakes and (Canadian) maple syrup, donuts, and all of that stuff I have had to leave behind.

[Cynic]

Originally Posted by Michael Roussell

I just want to get this straight....you eat 1.5 cups of peanut butter a day and take olive oil shots at night?

If it looks like a hobbit, walks like a hobbit, eats like a hobbit...

[getgot211]

Originally Posted by Frank.S

Now, if my cals stay at the same level, in short, will it matter?

no.

[coach hale]

ultimately does'nt mattter wt gain or lose you have to have specific caloric intake or caloric deficit (based on ADMR)

a common thing i have seen in bbers is the practice of eating highly nutitious foods through out day getting in priorities (essential nutrients)
then finishing calorie intake with whatever

one of the primary determinants in regards to adding skeletal muscle and minimal fat is how far you go over maintenance level of cals (of course excluding the pratio factor -which is a combo of genes and training, utilization of nutrient timing)

thanks
Coach Hale
www.maxcondition.com

[Frank.S]

Been doing this a bit, extra cals are comming in easier for sure.

What do you guys think of using less meals? Maybe 4? To slow down my metabolism a bit.. Everyone talks about eating more often to speed up metabolism, so why not the opposite? 4 x 1200cal meals seems like it wouldnt be near as hard..

[Cynic]

Originally Posted by Frank.S

Been doing this a bit, extra cals are comming in easier for sure.

What do you guys think of using less meals? Maybe 4? To slow down my metabolism a bit.. Everyone talks about eating more often to speed up metabolism, so why not the opposite? 4 x 1200cal meals seems like it wouldnt be near as hard..

The Aragon pointed me to the fact that metabolically, there is no difference between eating 3x/day and eating 6-8x/day. In terms of metabolism, it's all about cals in vs cals out.

The nibbling diet affects insulin levels and responses to food intake and glucose levels.