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I understand that cutting liquid calories from your diet is key to weight loss. So far I've cut soda (except for a rare diet coke), gatorade, sweet tea and alcohol.
I recently added V8 as an additional source or fruits and vegetables. Are these calories harmful?
Also, does liquid calories also include whey protein mixed with fat-free milk?
Thank you!
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liquid calories are more a "dummy's guide" than hard science. the real negative is that they aren't filling, so if you're ungodly hungry and drinking calories...then stop.
otherwise if you're at\under your calorie goals then it's fine. *note the sodium if you care about that*
I agree with gobbla. The fact that it's liquid just makes it easier to overdo it.
I wouldn't worry about V8. It's probably not something that you'll drink too much of, and even if you downed a couple glasses, it's far more valuable than soda or gatorade.
V-8, adds a huge hunk of carbs to your diet. About 15 per 12 oz. Actually that is the amount Mike R recommended to get insulin flowing in the morning for me. And as you say, a veggie serving to boot.
Q: I don't eat vegetables much at all. Would drinking something like V8 juice make up for this dietary shortcoming? Or is veggie juice as bad as fruit juice? A: Recently, I graded 120+ dietary analyses for a Sports Nutrition class that I help teach. Basically the students were told to write down what they ate for three representative days of the week, plug this intake into a computer program on campus (ESHA, if you’re interested), and hand in the computer generated analysis of nutrients (as well as some questions designed to assess their ability to understand what that amazing little box had just printed out for them). Well imagine my surprise as I began to read over what they had turned in. On the whole these 4th year Kinesiology and/or Nutrition students certainly weren’t practicing what we had been preaching!
Many of the females had total energy intakes under 1200kcal. The males weren’t doing much better as they averaged in the 2400kcal range. In addition, most had a woefully low protein intake, just barely reaching a minimum 1g/kg or less than 0.5g/lb. When turning to fat intake, the fat ratios weren’t so good either. Most had at least half of their dietary fat intake coming from saturates while their ratios of omega 6’s to omega 3’s were something like 20:1. Now these aren’t students that have no idea about what good nutrition is. These are students that, in one semester, will be graduating with Bachelor’s degrees in health related fields. And their diets are right up there with those of the average North American, diets that will lead to premature aging, heart disease, cancer, type II diabetes, and syndrome x.
Interestingly, although these diets were pretty poor on average, the thing that struck me as most amazing was the fact that their fruit and vegetable intake was pathetically low. Therefore the foods that could most help combat the damage that their diets were doing to them were the very foods suspiciously absent from their intake.
I’ll be honest; it’s always amazed me to hear that so many North Americans simply don’t eat many (if any) vegetables and fruits. The closest thing they get to fruit is the warm filling in a McDonalds apple pie and to a vegetable is the tomato sauce on their pizza. But since they’re doing so many other things nutritionally wrong, it stands to reason that they would also screw this up too.
However when I get emails from hundreds of weight lifters who don’t eat their vegetables, my head gets sore from banging it against the wall. These guys and girls abuse ephedrine and caffeine in order to increase their energy but they will skip taking their vegetables, foods that contain all the nutritional factors necessary to make your own energy!
Meatheads, whas a madda wicha? Vegetables are at the base of my nutritional pyramid. They are the foundation of a good, healthy diet. You slug down nasty faux chocolate tasting powders that give you gas, dry out your mouths, and give you bad breath but you won’t eat some vegetables – fresh or otherwise. Shame on ya.
Shaming aside, lets talk about why you should eat your vegetables. You know what, scratch that thought. If you don’t know that vegetables provide antioxidants, vitamins, minerals, fiber, and the more recently touted phytonutrients, I think that you’ve probably stopped eating all foods a long time ago and you’re now brain dead, or, as some might say, a vegetable yourself. Of course we all know that veggies provide these important nutrients.
So why aren’t we eating them? Convenience, right? Or some bad childhood experiences with not being allowed dessert until you ate all your brussel sprouts. Well if it’s the latter one I have three words for you: Get over it. If it’s the first – convenience – then let’s talk about how to make vegetables more convenient.
First, you’ve got vegetable juices. Buy V8, keep it in your fridge, and drink a couple of servings per day in addition to your normal fluid intake. V8 contains tomato juice from concentrate (water, tomato concentrate), vegetable juices from concentrate (carrots, celery, beetroot, parsley, lettuce, watercress, spinach), salt and spices. While the processing of these veggies means that you get fewer of the vitamins, minerals, and antioxidants that you might get by eating whole veggies, and also removes a lot of the fiber, if you’re not eating any veggies, getting some vegetable juice into you is a good start.
A better alternative though, is to make your own vegetable juices. That’s right bodybuilders, I’m encouraging you to start juicin’. No, not that kind of juicin’. I’m talking about following the lead of that 120-year-old guy on TV and blending up your vegetables into a thick veggie juice with the Mix Master 2000 or whatever it’s called. This way you can be sure what’s going into your veggie shake. Also you can be sure that all the nutritional goodness is in there. Simply get a food processor, add all the veggies you can think of to your blend, process them down to a pulp, add some salt, pepper, and various other spices to taste, and drink away.
Finally, and this idea may be a bit too revolutionary for most of you, you could just eat some damn vegetables! You know, go to the grocery store, buy some bags of frozen veggies as well as some fresh veggies and then, when it comes time to eat a meal you could microwave some of those frozen veggies for about 3 minutes or you could simply take some carrots, stalks of celery, broccoli florets or whatever you like and put them in your mouth. Before you go ahead and do this, however, there’s one important instruction that I don’t want you to forget. Chew before swallowing. This is definitely the preferred route of vegetable administration.
I want to share with you a little story about how I discovered the amazing effects of a high vegetable diet. Last December I was suffering from a whole host of over use injuries. Since I was also getting ready to travel, en route to visiting family and friends, I decided to take a month off from weight lifting. Since I can’t ever stay out of the gym for that long, I decided to simply to do 15 or 20-minute high intensity interval work (running or cycling) each day in order to give me some stress relief and some metabolic expenditure. Since I wasn’t lifting and my energy demands were about to take a nose dive, I decided that I should taper my diet down so that I didn’t get fat like the Christmas goose my mom was preparing around this time. To make it simple, I decided to eat 5-6 times per day. Each meal consisted of about 10-12 oz of animal protein (I consumed no protein powders this month), some good fats (from fish, flax, and olive oil) and loads of fruit, veggies, and beans (i.e. big salads with all kinds of fresh fruit, veggies, and beans thrown into a huge bowl as well as frozen veggies in a bowl on the side).
Well, as the month progressed, obviously the overuse injuries began to heal. Now, of course, that was probably due to the time off from lifting. However, the interesting thing was that I just began to feel…healthier. I’m not exactly sure how to describe what feeling healthier means but there were several things that were different. My GI health had improved dramatically (I wont get any more graphic than that). My energy levels had increased. My skin had gotten better. And I was actually getting leaner.
Now, some of you might be thinking it’s the lack of grains in the diet, or the extra fats, or the time off from the gym, or whatever. But the interesting thing is that I’ve followed low grain diets before and I never felt this good. And I’ve always taken in lots of good fats. And I’ve had breaks off from the gym. So I know that it wasn’t these factors. No, for me the only variable that had changed was that I was now eating 4 or 5 times my usual intake of fruits and vegetables.
To verify this fact, I asked my brother to simply add tons of fruits and vegetables (mostly vegetables) to his diet without changing anything else. And he had the same experience – a general perception of increased health.
Behold the power of the fruits and vegetables!
I know it's good in chili (the hot and spicy flavor), instead of water. But I can't drink the stuff, it's nasty.
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