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Old 04-18-2007, 11:05 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Chazz weaver looks pretty good for guy that at Mcdonalds every meal for a while. Chazz simply done this to break that food myth of have to eat clean to be leanl

of course genetics matter as well as energy intake versus energy output

regardless of what your favorite Nutrition Guru tells you "need to follow 90% rule of eating clean Science and millions of everyday case studies say different

same goes other way so called clean bulks allow fat free mass gains
ever seen sumo wrestlers they eat real clean compared to the average american

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Old 04-18-2007, 12:56 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I would really like to see the selections he made in food choices. As well this really is going to be a big genetics card.

If he made healthy selections at Mcdonalds then I don't doubt the validity here. If he munched down on fries, apple pie and big mac's, he may be lean, but that doesn't mean he is healthy.
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Old 04-18-2007, 01:24 PM   #3 (permalink)
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He did not make healthy choices, really.

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The following journal is a daily account of my 30 day journey through the golden arches of fast food. I will be eating McDonald’s food, and only McDonald’s food, for the next 30 day’s. My objective is to prove that through proper caloric intake and exercise (aerobic & anaerobic) it’s possible to eat a variety of foods, including fast food, without gaining fat. Please be aware that I am not advocating fast food as a lifestyle. I am merely demonstrating that it is possible, that with proper information and education, to eat McDonald’s food for 30 day’s and not gain any fat. I will be eating everything on the menu at least once during the 30 day’s and will not be making alterations or adjustments to the items.
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Okay, here are the results:
  • Weight – I started at 222lbs and in thirty days I dropped 8lbs of “body fat”, ending the thirty days at 214lbs.
  • Blood Pressure - I started at 111/71, a bit low, and ended the thirty days at 121/81 which is optimal.
  • Cholesterol – this is where you need to understand about cholesterol!
    • My HDL (the good cholesterol) improved 80%.
    • My LDL (the bad cholesterol) went down 2 points. That’s an improvement!
    • My overall cholesterol went up 6% because of my HDL improvement, however this is an improvement overall.
    • My Triglycerides improved 42%
IMPORTANT TO NOTE: I am saying that exercise was the reason for my improvements and not the fact that I only ate McDonald’s food for 30 days. If you were to take exercise out of the equation, I would have gained 30 to 40 pounds of body fat, and I can not tell you how my cholesterol would have reacted; This is where education becomes very important.
Many people have asked me if it matters where their calories come from. At the most basic, eating exactly the number of calories that you burn and if you are only talking about weight, not fat loss, the answer is no -- a calorie is a calorie. A protein calorie is no different from a fat calorie -- they are simply units of energy. As long as you burn what you eat, you will maintain your weight; and as long as you burn more than you eat, you will lose weight. But if we're talking nutrition, it definitely matters where those calories originate. We will be posting information regarding nutrition soon.
I can't find the thread for some reason, but Lou (Schuler) wrote a bit about it once and talked about some of the issues with the guy's little project.
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Old 04-18-2007, 03:33 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I remember Adam Campbell reacting to Spurlock's "documentary" (Supersize Me) by saying "I should come out with a Wendy's diet and get rich". Looks like this guy beat him to it

It's at least interesting as a cautionary tale against demonizing particular types of food without regard to exercise.

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This sounds a bit like a straw man argument to me. Who exactly is saying that you have to eat clean to lose fat?
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Old 04-18-2007, 04:19 PM   #5 (permalink)
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read the article

it is obvious there are better nutritional choices than Mcdonald's but at the same time regarding wt loss when in cal deficit you will lose wt

the only problem with the project was it dispelled the mythological concept perpetuated by numerous bb consultants and supplement companies

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read the article

it is obvious there are better nutritional choices than Mcdonald's but at the same time regarding wt loss when in cal deficit you will lose wt

the only problem with the project was it dispelled the mythological concept perpetuated by numerous bb consultants and supplement companies

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I wasn't quoting the article - I was quoting you. I honestly don't know of any 'guru' or otherwise who says that you can't lose fat, or even be fit, without eating clean.
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Old 04-18-2007, 06:44 PM   #7 (permalink)
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If your metabolism is in good shape the basic unit of a fast food place, "The Hamburger" is not all that bad - some meat, veggies, moderate carbs, maybe a little high in the fat. The calories are about right for a meal, maybe even low if you are an athlete. You add supersize, fries, and sugar drink you are getting into some bad territory.
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If your metabolism is in good shape the basic unit of a fast food place, "The Hamburger" is not all that bad - some meat, veggies, moderate carbs, maybe a little high in the fat. The calories are about right for a meal, maybe even low if you are an athlete. You add supersize, fries, and sugar drink you are getting into some bad territory.
Ding ding ding, and this is what the common American is gonna see. There not going to read the whole article, just the headline that now they can eat at McD's everyday and still lose weight. Oh, I have to exercise, well, walking 1/2 a mile is exercise, that should negate the supersized coke and fries. (end sarcasm)
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Old 04-20-2007, 07:01 AM   #9 (permalink)
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the main goal with the project was to demonstate that the previous
Supersize Me really proved what we already knew eating tons of cals minimizing activity output leads to wt gain

weaver took the other route and performend significant activity to counteract wt gain which we already knew (most of us did)

both took it too the extremes

often with weight loss various health related biomarkers are increased regardless of diet type

similar to what we see on typical keto diet (by no means most nutritious diet ) if losing wt blood lipid profile gets better, not losing wt or gaining it gets worse


i want to make it clear i am not a advocate of junk food laden diets i am a believer in promoting the truth though (wt loss is a multifactorial process)




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Old 04-20-2007, 07:26 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Its common sense really, that just cos its junk doesnt mean to say you will get fat. Its like anything really it comes down to energy output/input equation.

Ok the nutritional value will be less beneficial but at the end of the day it just goes to prove you can eat shit but as long as you know your shit it makes very little difference :-)

Is is healthy? Probably not. Is it efficient? Probably not. and just think what he could have achieved had he ate clean
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There was some lady that did this, but chose healthy choices for 30 days. Maybe someone has a link to that?

Personally, I know I could eat McDonald's every meal of every day and lean out just fine. I'd run out of money and drink a lot of Diet Coke... But, there are no free refills in life, so get them when you can.
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I'm glad Chazz did this. I was pretty disgusted to see that supersize me guy force a bunch of crap down to the point of pain and not exercise, and then blame Mickey D's. What a fvcking tool.
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Old 04-25-2007, 08:12 AM   #13 (permalink)
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the supersize me guy has his own show now

funny the people that get tv shows

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Chad Johnson, the Bengals WR, eats McDonalds all the time. I saw it on the NFL channel once...he even knew all the people's names that worked there. It was hilarious, he showed up for training camp and sat down at a table with his 2 bags of McD's breakfast foods. There were 2 huge linemen sitting next to him eating apples and yogurt and he looked at them and told them something like, "just wait...you guys are going to be starving in about an hour." But Chad is one genetically gifted freak too.

I really liked the movie Super Size Me and the spinoff 30 Days. I think the point Spurlock was trying to make by eating until he was about to puke was because a majority of overweight individuals eat, eat, and eat and do not realize when they are full. That along with the concept that a majority of overweight individuals get little or no exercise making their situation worse. The spinoff show was brilliant, IMO, and had a good message that the world would be a better place if we all were a bit more open-minded. But I must admit, I'm a bit biased because I went to the same high school as him.
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When one is young, He/She can get by on a poor diet so long as High amounts of physical activity can make up to some degree the poor nutrition. However, as we age our bodys are much more sensitive to our eating habits. A 20 year old on a MacDiet so long as he is active and has decent genetics should be able to preform well. Take that same person after 20 years of poor dieting where he is now 40 and you will see the damage he has done to his body over those 20 years.
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Ding ding ding, and this is what the common American is gonna see. There not going to read the whole article, just the headline that now they can eat at McD's everyday and still lose weight. Oh, I have to exercise, well, walking 1/2 a mile is exercise, that should negate the supersized coke and fries. (end sarcasm)
i am complete agreement with this, the average guy is gonna see
A. A guy whose ripped
B. He ate McDonalds for every meal
C. Skim the article to convince himself that he is actually doing research
D. Come to a cheeseburger filled answer to getting lean

this might prove disastrous ahahah
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More people thing its 'what you eat' then the amounts you eat... This explains lots IMO.

Sure, what you eat is important, but if you eat to much good stuff you can get fat too..
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Exactly. The number one problem with the North American consumptory liftsyle is poor portion control and severe underactivity. Not fast food, McDonald's, or teh high fructoze korn syrupz.

Move enough and eat less than you need and you'll be in six-pack heaven.
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I'm pressed for time, but any idea the numbers for his bloodwork?
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blood work numbers are on his site

i was speaking with Gerda Endemann yesterday (author of Fat is not the Enemy www.healthyfat.com) and she expressed in general if losing weight doesnt really matter that much where cals are coming from no neg effect on blood lipids (of course metabolic abnormalties may have different indications)

last week i finished the portion of my new book looking at keto diets and their effects on blood lipids

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1- if losing wt on keto cholesterol decreases
2- if maintaining or gaining cholesterol goes up

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