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I'm thinking of trying a double dose of"surge"(gatorade/whey) around my workout. I've read all the T-nation articles on it, but I tend to be a bit skeptical of them.
Has anybody tried the double surge protocool,and if so, how were your results?
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"Focus on making the 5 lifts stronger and getting enough food. There will be plenty of time to worry about glycemic indexes, PERs, and Bulgarian Split squats later. Much later."-Mark Rippetoe
Cool. Does the surge give you better results(better recovery, more strength, ect.) than a solid meal?
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Originally Posted by Lost Dog
Sure. I do it all the time. I prefer a solid meal, pwo, but if I won't be getting one for an hour or so, I do the double dose.
I think that thread over at t-nation was mostly about whether people who aren't truly bulking would gain fat.
If you workout hard enough, I think you're golden.
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I get better recovery, I think. But, you still eat the solid meal. It's just delayed. The downside is that you get a huge blood sugar crash an hour after the 2nd drink and then you really, really have to eat. SUDDENLY!
The downside is that you get a huge blood sugar crash an hour after the 2nd drink and then you really, really have to eat. SUDDENLY!
Yeah, I know that. I have eaten half a box of cereal after my pwo drink. That is why is think Surge is a bad idea for people trying to lose fat--while the surge itself is OK, it makes you damn hungry, which is exactly what you don't want.
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"Focus on making the 5 lifts stronger and getting enough food. There will be plenty of time to worry about glycemic indexes, PERs, and Bulgarian Split squats later. Much later."-Mark Rippetoe
I find it a little funny how people have one workout drink, no matter what.
If im doing some repped out upperbody work compared to 20 rep sets of squats, my postworkout drink/meal is going to be different. Usually I just guess.. Lighter workouts, 2 scoops of 'surge' (trueprotien mix), harder workouts, 4 scoops etc.
Yeah, I know that. I have eaten half a box of cereal after my pwo drink. That is why is think Surge is a bad idea for people trying to lose fat--while the surge itself is OK, it makes you damn hungry, which is exactly what you don't want.
Even so, that meal after the PWO drink can be quite large without gaining fat. My favorite is 2 cans of tuna, 1/4 box of WW pasta with garlic and olive oil..
That is why is think Surge is a bad idea for people trying to lose fat--while the surge itself is OK, it makes you damn hungry, which is exactly what you don't want.
Very good way of thinking of it.
When I do the Surge, I try to eat a lower carb meal (not low carb) of chili or something. I want to smooth out the blood sugar, not shoot it sky high again.
PA, I don't quite do a double serving of Surge but "during" my workout I'll have two scoops of Surge (3 scoops is a full serving). . . . and then immediately after I'll have another two scoops with 5grams of creatine. I'm never sore, could be because of my low volume program, so who knows.
During S2B last summer I had a 3 full servings of my gatorade/whey mixture. One pre/during/after. I found that to be a bit extreme, LOL.
If you're bulking, or even at maintenance, especially if you're taking a pre-shake...can you think of a compelling reason why more would be better? And if the answer is "yes" can you think of a compelling reason why x2 is better than x1.5 or 3? Does the "extra" need to come from protein, carbs, "extra" stuff?
Keep in mind this is coming from a weakling that has never taken surge so take it for what it's worth. IMO this "project" is a way to get people that don't eat right anyway to buy more supplements.
I also agree with the last line in Gobbla's post, with the caveat that I like Surge. It's some seriously yummy stuff during a workout at 1/2 the suggested srv size. And I'll put money down that a lot of suggested srv sizes are overly so.
It doesn't serve a corporation's bottom line to recommend ways to optimize the usage of their product. Some have scruples and do, but they're rather rare.
If you're bulking, or even at maintenance, especially if you're taking a pre-shake...can you think of a compelling reason why more would be better? And if the answer is "yes" can you think of a compelling reason why x2 is better than x1.5 or 3? Does the "extra" need to come from protein, carbs, "extra" stuff?
Keep in mind this is coming from a weakling that has never taken surge so take it for what it's worth. IMO this "project" is a way to get people that don't eat right anyway to buy more supplements.
I think the point that they were making was thaw "more is better" in regard to workout nutrition, and that is good time to add extra calories. Does it work? Maybe.
I make my own surge for very cheap, so theres really no downside to trying this. If it gives me better recovery, great, I'll keep doing it. But if it makes no difference, than I'll do something else.
I'm just curious to see if it really works.
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"Focus on making the 5 lifts stronger and getting enough food. There will be plenty of time to worry about glycemic indexes, PERs, and Bulgarian Split squats later. Much later."-Mark Rippetoe
I have a light carb/protein shake (made from whole foods, usually yogurt, banana, protein powder and some flaxseed) 30-45 minutes before I workout. then I sip a whey/malto/dextrose shake (P:C 15g:30g) during the workout, and a PWO right after I my bike ride from the gym
It's been doing great for me so far. I feel very full of energy during the workout
I tried with whey hydrolysate + maltodextrin pre and post workout, and definetely those quick carbs right before training didn´t make me any good (talking about feeling/performance). Now I prefer less carbs (25g or so), or something slower, or even no carbs at all.
Double dose of surge--Has anyone tried it?
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