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T-nation's new advertisement, err... I mean article
Check this out. Biotest has some great products, but man they push a lot of crap IMO. But to me the bigger problem remains their audience. Most are beginners, and every author on that site preaches diet before supplementation, but they push their supps like crazy like they're all essential! I guess it's not really a big deal to me, if that's what it takes to keep those great authors pumping out articles for free, fine, I'm just saying. What are your thoughts?
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I guess it's not really a big deal to me, if that's what it takes to keep those great authors pumping out articles for free, fine.
Bingo, you nailed it. You know how people say that lotteries are a tax on the poor? Well, some of the T-nation supplements are a tax on the... well, perhaps the less-informed or simply the more impressionable.
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Originally Posted by Jason B
they push their supps like crazy like they're all essential!
I know! I've never taken Alpha Male, yet I can still lay it down like a mofo. Must just be a freak in da sheets.
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Everyone looking for the quick fix. The fast method. Some of the responses in the thread are halarious. Mostly beginners are using supplements I bet. Never see a big strong guy in the gym saying something to the effect of
"Thank you tribex gold and rev-z for letting me squat 700lbs!"
That being said. If someone wants to buy me the sex stack ill demo it. haha
Well i don't blame them, they make it no secret that the site is funded by the supplement sales and they do make good products and have a loyal fan base...but for all the great info we get for free, i can put up with it
Everyone looking for the quick fix. The fast method. Some of the responses in the thread are halarious. Mostly beginners are using supplements I bet. Never see a big strong guy in the gym saying something to the effect of
"Thank you tribex gold and rev-z for letting me squat 700lbs!"
That being said. If someone wants to buy me the sex stack ill demo it. haha
I was like this a year ago....
I weighed about 135 and was convinced that I needed muscle milk to get bog. I remember spending all my money at walgreens buying the little cartons of Muscle milk, while training pretty bad(smith machine squats) and eating nothing.
I didn't get anywhere until I canned the supps and started eating more. It's so simple.
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"Focus on making the 5 lifts stronger and getting enough food. There will be plenty of time to worry about glycemic indexes, PERs, and Bulgarian Split squats later. Much later."-Mark Rippetoe
there editorial licence is what bugs me more then straight biotest articles. Things like Chad or Berardi putting in an article then T-mag editors adding the fact that this routines requires this and that otherwise it won't work.
I know the authors get rewarded for articles but it still drags down there name in some articles in my opinion.
But i'll continue to read but pick and choose what articles I read and what supplement info i skip over.
That article reminded me of a PBS pledge drive. Just a break from the regularly scheduled programming to hawk a few tote bags.
For the minimum donation of $87/month you can be a "Concentration/Mental Enchancement" member, and recieve these three lovely gifts.
For those that can dig a little deeper and want to be a full fledged "Male Muscle Builder" sponsor for only $245/month we have seven tokens of our appreciation we would like to pass on to you. Please act now so we can get back to our regularly scheduled programming.
And much like PBS pledge drives I understand why they do these adverts
but I still just ignore them and live with my crippling, soul consuming guilt for not giving my financial support. Theres a very special level of hell for people like me.
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I don't even read the articles on their supps. I do read the training articles by Staley, Waterbury, Dan John, etc. All I've bought over there is the protein powder, creatine, fish oil and bcaa's. Nothing too risky there I don't think.
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Where does anything go when you hit the delete key? I like to think that somewhere in this crazy series of tubes theres one shiny golden one where all the backspaced keystrokes go and are very happy.
I might get back to blogging soon but I find that its alot like having a sandbox when you're a kid; a lot of fun until strangers start pissing in it.
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Well Biotest is helping me out with some goodies for the summit attendees, so don't complain too loud people, or you could end up with a biotestless bag! Worse yet, I might do the Dking treatment to it!
By now we've read the articles enough to expect what we find. I don't get why every few weeks there's a new rant about it.
I hear you. There seems to be an anti-t-nation sentiment here, at least in regard to how they push their supps.
I really can't blame them though for pushing their supps...its a business, what do you expect them to do?
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T-Nation does have some of the best and brightest in the field posting articles for them. As far as supplements go, Biotest's basic lineup of supplements is quality stuff. Supplements are just that...an addition to good diet and training. They can enhance progress. They are not a magic bullet, quick fix, or whatever we are calling it these days.
If you have your diet and training squared away, research has demonstrated that some supplementation may help you. No, its not for everyone. No, its not required.
I am reminded of a quote from Tommy Boy... "You can get a pretty good look at a T-Bone by sticking your head up a bull's ass, but wouldn't you rather take the butcher's word for it?" In the supplement industry it is useful to hear from researchers, nutrition professionals, and individuals who have had a lot of experience with supplements. Not all supplements are created equal.
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I hear you. There seems to be an anti-t-nation sentiment here, at least in regard to how they push their supps.
I really can't blame them though for pushing their supps...its a business, what do you expect them to do?
Of course its how they make money. Without people buying their stuff they wouldnt have a website.
Stuff like fish oils, protien powder and vitamans are in a different feild from things like beta 7, rev-z, insulin mimickers, nitrix oxide etc. IMO. I feel most people using that kind of stuff are suckers. Ive been there, I was a sucker. Now Ill save $50, or buy some bands or something that will actually help lifting.
I didn't mean to come off as making fun of T-nation, I actually like their form of advertising. It infuriates me to read muscle magazines and see the coarse way other companies are presenting adverts as articles (6 page special report!). I have bought books and dvds from them in the past, but for those readers who aren't in the US it becomes expensive to get supplements shipped so I might have had the slightest bit of sour grapes in my post. I would drink Powerdrive everyday if it didn't cost me five times the price to get it.
But I do understand the necessity of it all, you can't run a high quality multimillion dollar site on goodwill alone and will continue to get books from them in the future, I'm not really opposed to supporting them. Much like I will use the affiliate links on this site or the Fitcast for other purchases
when the opportunity arises.
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I actually like their form of advertising. It infuriates me to read muscle magazines and see the coarse way other companies are presenting adverts as articles (6 page special report!)
yeah I think its better for them to have one vested interest rather than several conflicting sponsors. They don't have any banners or pop ups, and the embedded advertisements they do use aren't as heavy handed as some other approaches. Its fairly easy to seperate the wheat from the chaff with them, and if it wasn't a worthwhile tradeoff they obviously wouldn't have as many readers as they do.
now as they grow in size I'm sure the advertising will escalate (I have no experience in marketing but I know the bigger you get the more money you need to keep going) and there may come a point where it becomes tough to seperate the info from the ads (Dr. Mercola listen up!) and I'll stop reading. But until then I do prefer the occasional pledge break vs. endless commercial breaks.
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I'm not really ranting here or critisizing them or their products. They have high quality shit, no doubt, I use surge, Flameout, BCAA, ZMA, and creatine from them. I've never used it and don't know anybody that has, but I believe beta-7 is good stuff based on what I've read independently, but for $50 bucks a month it better be laced with test. Other than that, I think products like Tribex, Carbolin 19, etc are junk for most people, and their stimulants are way overpriced, get some No-Doz at the gas station and order yohimbine HCL from primaforce and there you go. And I realize their supps are the way they make money so they can put out their articles, so I'm not bashing them for advertising or anything, I'm not really sure what I'm getting at to be honest, I just believe they push a lot of stuff people don't need. But hey, Biotest is a good company, they have good service and (mostly) good products, you can't blame them for watching their bottom line.
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They don't deliver papers out where I live, so I read 'em all on line. But on Sunday I go to town and buy a Sunday Paper, cause I like the ads. So long as T Nation has all those great articles they can do all the ads they want, not that I am likely to buy.
the only reason i go to that site now is so i can go to the message boards, and read the posts made by noobs asking how to get strong, or if they need to cut or bulk. Then the old forum members tear them a new one. It's kinda entertaining, and like watching a train wreck.
I rarely read the articles over there anymore. You can only write so much about how to get strong, and then you need to start moving onto different avenues ("Ribcage Expansion: Fact or Fiction?", "The Double Surge Challenge: The Most Powerful Nutritional Protocol Ever?", "Make it Harder: How to Make Easy Exercises More Difficult and More Effective").
I don't care about that stuff so i don't read it. Injury prevention articles are cool though.
T-nation's new advertisement, err... I mean article
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