Wazy Maze

[Frank.S]

Whats the deal on this stuff?

gets used 2x faster then dex/m-dex ??

Ive been seeing some stuff about this startch, and wonder if anyones used it or has an insight, looks pretty decent to me. here is a link:

http://www.trueprotein.com/product_d...d=6737#Details

[slimsaw00]

I just happened to look at this, and that does look interesting to say the least. Sorry I don't know much about since I haven't even heard of it. . . but once my Surge is gone I might give Trueprotein.com a try for my PWO drink.

You were going to give Surge a try right? Don't get me wrong I really like it and think its a good product, but if I could create my own mix from Trueprotein.com and vary the flavors I think that'd be really cool.

Too bad I went nuts and ordered a shitload

-Matt

[Frank.S]

Yeah im giving surge a try,

I left it back at my place and im at the parents until the 3rd, then Ill give it a go.

This stuff looks interesting, but I think im starting to beleive more of alan a's ideas about workout nutrition and the fact that gi probally doesnt matter..

[Alan Aragon]

Reposted quote of mine:

Ah, the hope & promise (AND PRICE) of the Swedish high-molecular mass waxy maize derivative called Vitargo. As far as I know, this product has one single solitary study backing it up:

Entrez PubMed

Notice in the above abstract that a whopping 300g of micronutrient-free Vitargo versus 300g obviously micronutrient-free glucose/glucose polymers was used! The Vitargo had about a 19% faster rate of glycogen resynthesis. Yes, that's a significant difference, but there remains a huge question mark about the real world applicability of the study design. Keep in mind this trial was carried out after glycogen depletion, & as I mentioned earlier, relative glycodepletion will vary among bodybuilding protocols. Last but not least: 300 effin' grams of carbohydrate? Can we get just a little closer to what typical non-triathlete trainees would ingest in the 4 hour period postexercise?

I already mentioned that this stuff is expensive for what it actually is. For me personally, I'll literally & figuratively stomach the higher osmolality of other carb sources. If you have money to burn, and don't mind staking your finances on a single study whose reults haven't been replicated, & whose solitary research was more than likely funded by the Swedish manufacturer of Vitargo, then be my guest.

[I. Kay]

Originally Posted by Alan Aragon

Reposted quote of mine:

Ah, the hope & promise (AND PRICE) of the Swedish high-molecular mass waxy maize derivative called Vitargo. As far as I know, this product has one single solitary study backing it up:

Entrez PubMed

Notice in the above abstract that a whopping 300g of micronutrient-free Vitargo versus 300g obviously micronutrient-free glucose/glucose polymers was used! The Vitargo had about a 19% faster rate of glycogen resynthesis. Yes, that's a significant difference, but there remains a huge question mark about the real world applicability of the study design. Keep in mind this trial was carried out after glycogen depletion, & as I mentioned earlier, relative glycodepletion will vary among bodybuilding protocols. Last but not least: 300 effin' grams of carbohydrate? Can we get just a little closer to what typical non-triathlete trainees would ingest in the 4 hour period postexercise?

I already mentioned that this stuff is expensive for what it actually is. For me personally, I'll literally & figuratively stomach the higher osmolality of other carb sources. If you have money to burn, and don't mind staking your finances on a single study whose reults haven't been replicated, & whose solitary research was more than likely funded by the Swedish manufacturer of Vitargo, then be my guest.

Yes, yes, yes, but... Heeey, did you just say "osmolality"? Cooool.

[Alan Aragon]

Originally Posted by Ian Kay

Yes, yes, yes, but... Heeey, did you just say "osmolality"? Cooool.

Unfortunately I did, heh. Always hated the word, but felt compelled at the time.