Shugart's Velocity Diet

[I. Kay]

Anybody here ever give this a whirl? Read the bit on Dan John and I'll be honest, it sounds tempting. Whipping my ass into shape diet-wise is a strongsuit, but I'll admit that I've got more gut than I'd like.

Thoughts on a 5'10, 180 lbs guy with 13-15% bf doing it? I'm currently backing away from super-heavy lifting as it is, so I won't need all the cals. Hell, I'd like to look more ripped for my family on Thanksgiving.

One thought that's crossed my mind is altering it somewhat to include vegetables. Maybe a bit of the ol' Berardi Supershake approach, with red bell peppers and frozen spinach thrown in for the phytonutrients... still remaining within Shugart's caloric guidelines of course.

[Eustace]

If you wanted to get more vegetables on a diet like this, you could try PSMF (protein sparing, modified fast) by Lyle McDonald. Basically just protein and vegetables, except for the starchy ones. A bit more painful perhaps, but you wouldn’t need as many supplements either.

[Lost Dog]

Originally Posted by Ian Kay

One thought that's crossed my mind is altering it somewhat to include vegetables.

Call it the Supershake Diet, Get RockHard, etc. rather than the Velocity Diet. I don't see why it wouldn't work, though.

Chris seems to think that the fact that you are having no veggies can help to alter your taste preferences. He wants you to crave veggies. Will you, if your spinach is deliciously blended into a delightful shake concoction? Who knows...

[UpNorth]

Dan John's final numbers, particularly his blood lipid profile changes, certainly were impressive, but 5'10" @180 you are nowhere near where he was. I'd be concerned about losing too much and rebounding hard when it was done. At 15% body fat something like JB Get Shredded might serve you better.

[Lost Dog]

I don't know. They are pretty similar. GS has only slightly more calories, solid food, and more workouts recommended. V-Diet is slightly fewer calories, all liquids, and very low key activity level (as far as cardio, etc.).

They are both equally extreme.

[I. Kay]

Originally Posted by Lost Dog

They are both equally extreme.

And I'm all about Extreeeeeeme!!! Wooooo!!!

Ok, anyway...

Yeah, I was wondering if the lack of vegetables was a necessary part of it. Perhaps I will do the "RockHard Diet" after all. Protein shakes that include vegetables, one piece of fruit per day... keep the total carbs under 100 though, hmmm... maybe... if I can fit in trail mix and buffalo wings.... hmmm.... grumble.... let me figure this out...

[galya]

I think a part of the allure of the VD is that you don't have many options; it's simple, basic, your brain doesn't need to make desicions; left without variety you don't think about foods at all, hence your mental drive will be better.

[Kevin Larrabee]

Do you guys want me to get Chris back on the show to talk about this a little bit more?

[galya]

Maybe a show where you compare different extreme fat loss program choices: PSMF, Velocity diet, partial Velocity (like I did), Get Shredded. You can discuss compliance, simplicity, supplementation, how you get out of a diet like that, what to expect, etc...
You could potentially do a show entirely devoted to extreme fat loss approaches, weighing the pros and cons as well.
This turns a whole new leaf because then you can do special shows devoted to maintenance, revamping metabolism, bulking, etc. They can be nutrition and work out related...it's exciting how many scenarios you can get out of an idea like that.

[OldGuy]

Maybe a question to JB about the Velocity Diet. What does he think of it?

[AceDeuce]

I realize this is an old post but I would love to see/hear comparisions between the "extreme" diets out there (PSMF, Velocity, Get shredded diet, etc). I'm not thinking of using any of them...just wanting to quench my mental curiosity

[Frank.S]

PSMF - calories way to low for any sane person. You wont have good workouts or energy with this approach. You will loose weight im sure.

Get Shredded - I more or less used this approach for a while. The lack of carbs killed me personally. My energy levels were not great throughout. Pretty easy to follow though.

Velocity - May be the least healthy of them all. I know that it works, pictures and results of many cant lie. But, no solid foods, few nutrients, a ton of artificial sweetner, and its expenesive.

Id be most inclined to do the get shredded diet providing you are already lean.. Its just to restrictive for most people to start out with. Most of us are going to start seeing results if we lower the calories just a bit, or do more work (or both). Plus a diet like this one could actually help you change you ways, as each meal is pretty set on what you should eat.

I dont think id recomend any of them to anyone though. Basic lowering of calories (not neccesarly carbs) and doing more work, maybe cardio, will be fine for almost anyone on here.

[imbachr]

How would a serving of muscle milk be for a meal on the get shredded diet? Sometimes I have to rush and can't get a meal packed on time. Any thoughts?

[Lost Dog]

Muscle Milk has too many carbs for the v-diet or the get shredded diet. You'll have to make your own shake from protein powder and whatever. In a pinch, protein powder alone...

[trainerty]

Originally Posted by imbachr

How would a serving of muscle milk be for a meal on the get shredded diet? Sometimes I have to rush and can't get a meal packed on time. Any thoughts?

I'm going into a hybrid velocity diet in a few weeks. I believe muscle milk is pretty high with sugars. I would think this would throw off the ketogenic nature of the diet.

This time around for me I will really boost the healthy fats. I remember CT saying something about forcing the body to use fats as energy, by boosting the healthy fats to 40 to 50% of the diet. I'll keep my ratio something like this 40/15/45.... see what happens.

Someone said earlier Chris holds off on vegatables. I'm pretty sure I read he does the powdered veggies.

[Alan Aragon]

extreme diets = extremely temporary results

[I. Kay]

Originally Posted by Alan Aragon

extreme diets = extremely temporary results

This past spring/early summer, I did a gradual, healthy fatloss "phase". I'm down to 165 lbs. now (from 180 last winter), and I feel strong and pain free. Nothing crazy, just a balanced, lower-cal diet.

I must've been feeling bloated and unsexy when I did the Velocity Diet imitation. Manopause or something, closing in on the big 3-0 and all. Yup.

Funny how I would never recommend something like the V-Diet to a client, friend or family, yet I thought I could do it myself. I find myself doing that with the weights sometimes too...

It's all good though. Just remember when dieting down to include a good protein powder (Metabolic Drive), some good fish oil, such as Flameout, and of course some ultra-pure German creatine. On tougher days, it's nice to get a little energy boost, so every now and again I'll pop a Spike tab. Oh, and get your veggies too, if you get the chance.

[cycomiko]

Originally Posted by Alan Aragon

extreme diets = extremely temporary results

except hte people who dont have the temp results