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I am not a surge expert, but I believe it contains more than just the carbs+protein ratio. ie it should be better than just gatorade + whey.
But yes Whey + gatorade would work
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Wait, my protein contains BCAA's...and gatorade has potassium and sodium (electrolytes). At least as far as Nurient Timing's reccommendation's go, this seems to pretty much fit the bill.
Hey, I have to remind myself of my heritage once in awhile!
"malto and dextrose"
I'm supposed to use both, optimally? I think maltodextrin had the highest glycemic index and thus using only this for carbs would be best?
malto is also not sweet, so you can get the high gi carbs without that sugary taste. Malto is a more potent stimulator of fluid uptake.
Sounds like I know what I'm talking about, huh? Well, I don't. Google (from JP's, though). However, I remembered Berardi writing about a 50/50 mixture of malto and dextrose being optimum.
I usually go with vanilla whey and orange gatorade myself. Another suprisingly good combo is orange gatorade with chocolate whey. It tastes likes a tootsie roll.
I had a feeling it'd be a good combo - my dad used to make chocolate milkshakes with a little bit of orange juice when I was growing up and I always loved them.
All the ingredients in surge are crucial. It's a synergistic effect. If you're not going to use surge, then use chocolate milk. It works well. However, price it out and you're not really saving much money.. and since the post workout drink is one of the most important parts of training recovery, why would you spend so much time and effort to work out and eat right, but sabatoge the most important part of training and nutrition? I still don't get it.
All the ingredients in surge are crucial. It's a synergistic effect. If you're not going to use surge, then use chocolate milk. It works well. However, price it out and you're not really saving much money.. and since the post workout drink is one of the most important parts of training recovery, why would you spend so much time and effort to work out and eat right, but sabatoge the most important part of training and nutrition? I still don't get it.
All the ingredients in surge are crucial. It's a synergistic effect. If you're not going to use surge, then use chocolate milk.
Would you please explain why Surge's formulation provides such synergy that I can't get its effects elsewhere? And you do realize that chocolate milk contains 20% casein protein, which is not ideal for during/post workout.
Would you please explain why Surge's formulation provides such synergy that I can't get its effects elsewhere? And you do realize that chocolate milk contains 20% casein protein, which is not ideal for during/post workout.
you're right about the Casein; but John Berardi has suggested low fat chocolate milk as a viable postworkout drink, something about it having close to the ideal 2:1 carb/protein ratio. I personally don't use this option as I couldn't imagine it quenching my thirst after a workout.
A lot of people have used gatorade/powerade and whey as a pre/during/post workout drinks; myself included. My gatorade powder was about to run out so I ordered some Surge just to give it a whirl. I'll probably continue to use it as well, I think its good stuff.
Any different or less effective then Surge? Being that is basically identical in formulation and all... with even more BCAA's I might add
I can make this for about 1/2 the price of Surge(per serving); partially b/c I am canadian which makes it expensive to import Surge but none the less.
Surge is a great product no doubt but it is nothing super secret that hasn't been done by other companies(1fast400.com has plenty of PWO drinks that are as good or better then surge) or that you can't do yourself.
One final thing, how can people begin to make comments about how much using one particular ingredient(gatorade and whey isolate) instead of another(straight dextrose/malto and hydrolyzed whey) will affect results when it is still to be determined how much of a difference ANY PWO carb/protein combination actually makes long term as compared to a normal meal.
I know people who think eggs pwo is the best thing and they are strong as all hell. Who am I to tell them they are doing it all wrong?
Would you please explain why Surge's formulation provides such synergy that I can't get its effects elsewhere? And you do realize that chocolate milk contains 20% casein protein, which is not ideal for during/post workout.
Someone posted a research piece, on another site, that showed the difference between casein and whey is negligable in the during/post wo period. Also, I heard it was the other way around on the ratio, milk is 80% casein, 20% whey.
If you have anything to dispute this, please post as I would rather know for certain, rather than through the grapevine.
Minutiae. There are degrees of effectiveness and perfection when it comes to PWO drinks.
Surge
Homemade "Surge"
Whey/Malto/Dextrose
Whey/Gatorade
Any protein powder and any high GI carb source
Chocolate milk
Solid food
You can argue the order that this list is in, too. But, no matter what the order you come up with, the differences that you'll see are slight.
Price, convenience, and nutrition. Order this list how you like, too, depending on your goals, lifestyle, and available funds.
Last time I checked, Craig Ballantyne drinks chocolate milk, pwo... As you can see in this thread (CB's Transformation), Craig's doing just fine from both the leanness and jacked standpoint.
---- milk considerations: whether or not you add milk to your postworkout shake depends upon personal preference and tolerance. the cons of milk are that many folks have some degree of lactose intolerance or milk allergy, and therefore are excluded from the possibility. the pros of milk postworkout are that it's highly insulinogenic, contains 6g dex per cup, and is a potent anabolic/anticatabolic substance that has outperformed whey in human research thus far.
I tried Surge for the first time last night (in fact, this was my first PWO protein drink of any kind for me - yes, it's 'Newbie' for a reason) and I could hardly choke it down. Frankly, I thought the stuff tasted terrible. I'm thinking of returning it.
My goals are pretty simple; loose the belly and simply get in shape. I don't expect to be doing any competitions. Just mainly want to be healthy and be able to continue playing games, for fun and exercise. With that in mind, am I really missing something vital if I don't drink Surge, or any other PWO specific drink? I do take vitamin supplements. Or should I really continue to try to find a way to choke this stuff down? If so, can you suggest something I can mix it with to make it more pallatable? May if I did just 2 scoops in some orange Gatoraide, similar to what someone else suggested?
I felt the exact same way trying Surge for the first time. But trust me; you will grow accustomed to the taste quickly and I know like the taste. I went through the same thing as I'm on my first tub of Surge.
Newbie, how much water did you put it in? It requires a LOT of water per scoop and should be very, very watery.
But it's fine to change the taste of it with whatever you like. I know I'm weird, but I like green tea in mine. I use about half green tea and half water in a 1 quart bottle with one scoop of Surge.
Me too!! I use Blue Berry Green Tea with my in-workout surge and just plain water post workout.
I like it so much better with the green tea.
Now THAT's funny. I've never met anybody else that liked that! And I mean that I LIKE it, not just find it a good pre/during workout choice. The Surge is so sweet that the green tea tones that down a bit. I think that's what I like about it. It's refreshing.
Now THAT's funny. I've never met anybody else that liked that! And I mean that I LIKE it, not just find it a good pre/during workout choice. The Surge is so sweet that the green tea tones that down a bit. I think that's what I like about it. It's refreshing.
I have even mixed my green tea and surge with power drive when I know I am having a sluggish day. That really sparks up the taste
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