Sucralose on T-nation

[Ogedei]

New article about sucralose on t-nation

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1188638

[Lisa~]

That was interesting Og, thanks for putting that link up.

[Johnka]

Neat article, and I'm glad I don't have to worry about my limited sucralose consumption. With our xenoestrogen interview earlier, I didn't want there to be too much doom and gloom!

[Diamond]

awesome, I love my splenda, now if only they'd make diet cherry vanilla coke with splenda. yum

[Ogedei]

Originally Posted by Johnka

Neat article, and I'm glad I don't have to worry about my limited sucralose consumption. With our xenoestrogen interview earlier, I didn't want there to be too much doom and gloom!

Yeah I just updated to a corningware container at work for microwaving.

Jerk.

[Johnka]

Originally Posted by Ogedei

Yeah I just updated to a corningware container at work for microwaving.

Jerk.

Muahahah! (where's that little devil emoticon when you need it?)

[Lost Dog]

John,

Not so concerned about the sucralose, but I've heard that soda is acidic. Does that make those plastic bottles of soda, bad, bad, bad?

[RobLL]

Ogedei - Hey, that was a great link. While I dismissed the complaints about Splenda I did not do any research. I wish he would do the same for the statin drugs. Rob

[RacerBill]

Good article. Reasonable tone, and a host of footnotes. Plus some interesting tidbits about Stevia.

Thanks, Og!

[Cynic]

Originally Posted by Lost_Dog

John,

Not so concerned about the sucralose, but I've heard that soda is acidic. Does that make those plastic bottles of soda, bad, bad, bad?

I want to hear this too.

[Keith Scott]

MAkes me feel better since I had about 10 glasses of iced tea tonight with 2 splenda's in each glass (It was strong tea!!)

[Johnka]

Originally Posted by Lost_Dog

John,

Not so concerned about the sucralose, but I've heard that soda is acidic. Does that make those plastic bottles of soda, bad, bad, bad?

Good question. As far as I know, heat and oil exposure are more likely to leach chemicals from plastic than the acids in soda.

Here's a relevant passage from the article Plastic Planet:

Before you start tossing out your plastic collection, it’s important to note that not all plastics have been proven problematic. Most water bottles, as well as soda, juice, and sports-drink bottles, yogurt cartons, bread bags, boil-in-bag pouches, cereal-box liners, and food-storage bags (such as Ziploc) are examples of food-grade plastics with no known health hazards.

Granted, there might be no known hazards because there haven't been any or enough studies, but that at least provides some hope.

One thing I forgot to mention in the interview is that oil also leaches chemicals from plastic. So I don't buy any oil in a plastic bottle (like olive oil). That one's pretty easy, since most oils come in glass bottles anyway.

[Ogedei]

I would note that the "Most water bottles" would make most people think Nalgene bottles would be fine. And for the most part yes, but it is the heat aspect you mentioned John that worries us.

Glad to know the diet pepsi isn't gonna give us to many XenoEs

[Lost Dog]

Thanks. Whew!

[malkore]

However, the acids in soda, when too much is consumed, throw off your blood levels. I believe its phosphoric acid, and the phosphorus increases in blood.
So the body must release calcium in the blood to counteract this. If it doesn't, you die.
So the body takes any available calcium. If your diet is low in it, you'll lose bone/tooth calcium.
not so much a problem for us, more a problem for kids and lazy adults with poor diet and no multivitamins.

[Ogedei]

Interesting, do you have any studies on this phenomenon? I am aware of the sodas being bad for your teeth, but apart from acid and carbonation acting directly on the enamel I didn't know about other reasons.

Any further info would be great.

[Lost Dog]

I think that's a myth...

Here's an interesting article on phosporus and phosphoric acid.

Phosphorus

I think it's more likely that soda tends to replace milk in some diets. Not that I think milk is important, I don't. But, if you are already in a state of blood acidosis, the dietary calcium will slow the release of calcium FROM your bones.

Also, most studies that involve soda and bone loss were using regular soda. High sugar levels have been shown to produce blood acidosis, which results in urinary calcium loss (your body "releases" calcium from the bones to counter the acid/base imbalance).

[malkore]

It is something I was taught in a food studies course I took at U. Nebraska - Lincoln.

It sounds like Lost Dog may have cleared it up...diet low in calcium and high in acids like those in soda can lead to blood acidosis. Now that LD said that term, that does ring a bell.

And do keep in mind, I've been out of college for...5 years now, so studies may have found new info.

I think the professor was just trying to get us to not drink mt. dew all class but at least he got me to quit smoking.

[Spork Boy]

Originally Posted by Johnka

One thing I forgot to mention in the interview is that oil also leaches chemicals from plastic. So I don't buy any oil in a plastic bottle (like olive oil). That one's pretty easy, since most oils come in glass bottles anyway.

Oh, CRAP. I buy olive oil bulk from Costco and it comes in plastic bottles. Thanks for the tidbit, Johnka.

[RacerBill]

Originally Posted by Johnka

One thing I forgot to mention in the interview is that oil also leaches chemicals from plastic. So I don't buy any oil in a plastic bottle (like olive oil). That one's pretty easy, since most oils come in glass bottles anyway.

I've usually heard this the other way around, that plastics tend to attract oil. That's why it's so nearly impossible to clean that greasy film off plastic containers. The similarity in their molecular structure creates an attraction.

I guess I'm having trouble picturing the compounds leaching from the plastic into the stored oil when the two are attracted to each other. Do you have some studies that might explain this?