JB's Get Shreaded Diet - JP Fitness Forums

Kevin Larrabee · 07-10-2006, 06:27 PM

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1150209

Frank.S · 07-10-2006, 07:34 PM

I really like it!

What is this canadian version of greens+ all about? We get something the usa doesnt.. NO WAY.

For such drastic weight loss this diet doesnt sound so bad. The results sound like they would be similar to a velocity like diet, but without having to drink protein shakes all day (not fun).

I submited a couple questions up on t-mag who knows if theyll get posted though. Asking about switching the hot-rox to ephedrine (also supresses appitite) and about the importance of cardio on it.

Im sure one day ill be doing this (or very similar).

getgot211 · 07-10-2006, 08:34 PM

Kojack · 07-10-2006, 08:39 PM

This diet is nothing more than a promotion for supplements he gets paid to promote.

Frank.S · 07-10-2006, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Kojack

This diet is nothing more than a promotion for supplements he gets paid to promote.

I really dont think so. This is the first artical on t-nation that actually has links to non biotest supps as alternitives.

Really, its just a low calorie low carb diet with lots of creatine and BCAAs. Its gonna work though.

Kojack · 07-10-2006, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank.S

I really dont think so. This is the first artical on t-nation that actually has links to non biotest supps as alternitives.

Really, its just a low calorie low carb diet with lots of creatine and BCAAs. Its gonna work though.

So he plugs a few non Bio-Rip off products.....

Most of the time he's busy pushin the stuff he gets paid to push

Frank.S · 07-10-2006, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Kojack

So he plugs a few non Bio-Rip off products.....

Most of the time he's busy pushin the stuff he gets paid to push

Ok most biotest stuff is garbage, or at least very over rated. But that doesnt mean that this diet is crap.

Replace biotest products with the brand of your choice, its not going to make a difference. Yes im sure hes getting paid to put their supps in there, but do you really think JB doesnt realize that so many people are not going to use biotest supps?

Every single article on that size pushes their products. Is the information bad, no its not. You just have to understand what each supp is trying to accomplish and find somthing similar.

gobbla · 07-10-2006, 11:32 PM

at first I thought it was a scam too BUT looking closer at it. it's a limited carb diet with easy to follow guidelines on what each meal should be. that's pretty cool and fairly sound.

the subs really aren't that big a deal
BCAA & Creatine - BCAA are expensive and you may not use it...ok. Creatine...not a problem
Greens+ - JB likes it. If you're eating your folage you should be ok without it.
Multi & ZMA - multi...no biggie. he didn't really cover the ZMA?
Fish Oil - no biggie
Hot Rocks & Abs Plus - we'll just pretend like those aren't there.

overall it's a pretty decent article

galya · 07-11-2006, 02:34 AM

It's great in its design and simplicity; nothing too surprising. Low calories, low carb. I asked JB what he thinks about the diet without the supplements (except fish oil and multi) and he said I could try, just that I would feel worse.
Not harder or worse than PSMF. The only thing I can't hack is the long hours of training he recommends with it. I guess here is where the supplements would be working their miracle.

Kevin Larrabee · 07-11-2006, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by galya

It's great in its design and simplicity; nothing too surprising. Low calories, low carb. I asked JB what he thinks about the diet without the supplements (except fish oil and multi) and he said I could try, just that I would feel worse.
Not harder or worse than PSMF. The only thing I can't hack is the long hours of training he recommends with it. I guess here is where the supplements would be working their miracle.

Thats exactly what I was thinking. Especially the appetite surpressing of the HRE. Greens+ is the real deal and with lower calorie intake the Greens+ will help keep your body packed with all the goodness of vegetables.

Multi and ZMA- You should already be taking theses, no surprise there

Same with Fish oil

Abs Plus, I have never tried it and I don't know the effectiveness.

Power Drive, basically just some caffeine? Just stick with EC stack or the HRE.

Frank.S · 07-11-2006, 06:24 AM

Yeah sub the hot-rox with an EC stack. Thats going to give you huge fat burn capabilities and appitite surpressent.

I would ditch the bcaas on this low calorie of a diet though. There are some cheaper options out there. These can help to spare muscle.

I think if I do this in the future (while to go yet!) ill do one week EC stack and one week of lipo 6 or maybe just green tea extract if im poor. Instead of powerdrive ill just time my stimulent/fat burner correctly. If im feeling really dead ill take some noexplode or somthing.

Kojack · 07-11-2006, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Frank.S

Ok most biotest stuff is garbage, or at least very over rated. But that doesnt mean that this diet is crap.

Replace biotest products with the brand of your choice, its not going to make a difference. Yes im sure hes getting paid to put their supps in there, but do you really think JB doesnt realize that so many people are not going to use biotest supps?

Every single article on that size pushes their products. Is the information bad, no its not. You just have to understand what each supp is trying to accomplish and find somthing similar.

The caloric and exercise advice may be sound but I have obviously have a problem with him pushing all these products. Just as the vast majority of the North American population is over-medicated, he is advocating for over-supplementation in the fitness industry.

His knowledge is credible, but that doesn't take away from the fact that he's in it to make a buck or two.

p.s.-this guy already lives in a very nice condo on the same floor as Nellie Fertado

galya · 07-11-2006, 07:22 AM

Nothing wrong with making money

Also, JB is one of the people "pushing" health before anything else. If you don't like supplements (like me), just don't take them. There are plenty of routes to go.

Lost Dog · 07-11-2006, 07:46 AM

Kojack,

The whole site over there is supported by supplements. You pretty much accept that, going in. EVERY article, practically, suggests Biotest supps. This one suggests others, as well.

I think Biotest's products are better than most supplements out there. Dramatically best? Maybe not. But up there, compared to most supplement companies. Perhaps, Berardi thinks so too.

I work for Xerox. I also believe that Xerox has the best products, compared to our competitition. Are there some things that others do better? Of course. But, overall, I still believe in our products, support, and services. The other day, I helped my Real Estate Agent get his copier up and running, despite the fact that it was not a Xerox. I did suggest that Xerox wouldn't have that problem, though.

Lisa~ · 07-11-2006, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by larrabee213

Power Drive, basically just some caffeine? Just stick with EC stack or the HRE.

Power Drive isn't the same as caffeine or an EC stack at all. I like Power Drive because it makes you feel alert and clear of mind, but it's not a metabolic booster type of supplement that raises bp and heart rate. Just FYI.

Lisa

Michael Roussell · 07-11-2006, 08:53 AM

I'm amazed at the hatin' and cynicism on this thread...it is very unlike the JP Fitness Forum.

This thread should be moved to bodybuilding.com or something....

Johnka · 07-11-2006, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael Roussell

I'm amazed at the hatin' and cynicism on this thread...it is very unlike the JP Fitness Forum.

This thread should be moved to bodybuilding.com or something....

I agree, although there is really only one hater in this thread. Lost Dog and Galya pretty much hit the nail on the head with their remarks.

Blackjack · 07-11-2006, 09:13 AM

I was just going to say "This is exactly what I've been looking for, I'm going to start this tomorrow.." but I agree with Michael - need to tone back the attitude a little.

I'd also like to add, as far as I know, on the fitcast that Berardi was on, he doesn't get any $$ from Greens, he's just done a lot of research into their products and likes them. Maybe Kevin can verify that.

Obviously, he gets $$ from Biotest, but last time I checked that wasn't against the law. As Galya said, making money is generally a good thing. If I remember correctly, he was one of the experts that actually developed Surge.

If you guys don't like Biotest or their products, I suggest to avoid their website and their articles, otherwise, let's try and be a little objective.

For what it's worth. Ted