How bad is chocholate on bread

[RedLefty]

Shouldn't matter -- I wouldn't think any of them have a whole lot of fat or protein -- they'll be mostly sugar. Again, that's a bad thing most of the time but actually beneficial to your post-workout needs. The protein will come from the milk.

Of course, if you find a powder with some additional protein then you can try that out.

[karky]

Okay, any idea how much i should bring to drink post workout? im about 75-80kg's if that matters.
I guess ill find theone with the least fat, as fat aint good post workout.

[karky]

just got back from the store, got one that has 3g fat, 5g protein per 100g and lots of carbs ofcource.

[Lost Dog]

What are the carbs?

I can't remember the one I drink (emergencies, when I forget my pwo powders). It's got 2-5g fat for the bottle, 12g P and 36g C per 200-250 calories. I'm working from memory. There are a few brands and I usually skim them for low fat, a 1:3 P:C ratio, then price.

I drink half before or during the workout, the other half afterward. 400-500 cals total, depending on the size of the bottle that the store had.

[karky]

before or during, would that replace my current before workout meal? i usually just eat a few slices of bread with milk.

The thing says:
Per 100grams
Energy 1550kj/366kcal
protein 5g
carbonhydrate 80g
fat 3g

So ill mix it with low fat milk, to avoid unessecary fat.
the carbohydrate or carbonhydrate, im not sure what it really is in english, i think this package is sweedish so i just translated it to the best of my abilities.

[Lost Dog]

carbohydrate. Your english is good. Our school kids should be do well versed!

That's a bit high in the carbs and low in the protein. Just make sure you get some solid protein in after your drink, too. Food.

Don't sweat the details, too much. The difference between 95% and 100% perfect is negligible. The stress of not doing it right can be worse than anything!

The most important things:

Make sure you HAVE energy during a strenuous workout. Carbs and Protein. This can be food from an hour or so before (good), or food from before and then a drink, just before the workout (best). No biggie, either way.

Make sure your muscles have what they need after workouts. Protein and carbs, again. Some people just eat afterward and do fine. If you can get a quick shot of high GI carbs and liquid protein immediately, then move on to normal eating, so much the better.

[BamaDave]

Originally Posted by BFG

Tis food of the devil I tell ye and will make the grow horns! Well I do if anyone trys to take the pot away from me if I dare open one. Its all in that undisclosed 1g that they dont tell ye what it is!!! Tis 1g of the devlils spawn!

Thanks, BFG - I just spewed coffee all over my computer!! LMAO!!!

[karky]

yeah, ill eat before, take a drink with me and drink it afterwards and when i get home, ill get some propper food.
I guess ill take half a liter, or would that be completley wrong?

I have heard that you shouldnt take something during your workout other than water, that carbs and stuff like that was a no no during your workout :S

And does this go for cardio training too? Im currently attending a jiu-jitsu class, maybe ill take a bottle of this with me there too and drink it right after we're finished? ill bring water too, so ill drink that during. Thing is, after cardio i dont have a very big appetite :S

[Lost Dog]

Originally Posted by karky

I have heard that you shouldnt take something during your workout other than water, that carbs and stuff like that was a no no during your workout :S

Nonsense. Drink up.

Originally Posted by karky

And does this go for cardio training too? Im currently attending a jiu-jitsu class, maybe ill take a bottle of this with me there too and drink it right after we're finished? ill bring water too, so ill drink that during. Thing is, after cardio i dont have a very big appetite :S

Hopefully, a martial arts guy will answer you on this one.

[karky]

I just figured out how much half a liter of this finished chocho milk would contain, if my math is correct.
1038 kcals
19.5g protein
73.5 carbohydrate
5.3g fat

that was with 0.7 % fat milk, we got 0.1 also i think, so i could mix it with that, which will make the fat a whole lot less, the skimmed 0.1 fat milk also has less carbs.
anyways, 1000 kcarbs sounds like alot? Most of the cals is actually from the milk..
Milk has 162 kcals per 100g, so per 500 (0.5 liters) that would be 810.
just tell me if my math is off, its been ages since i did stuff like this.

[BFG]

Originally Posted by Lost_Dog

In theory, after lifting, you want carbs to spike your blood sugar/insulin and protein to rebuild/repair your muscles. The two work hand in hand.

One theory on fats and high insulin is that when you have fat in your system and your insulin spikes, you can more easily store fat as fat. Maybe.

However, fat also slows digestion of food, so it's not optimal after a workout. Also, since fat's 'optional' at this time, those fat calories can better be used by providing more useful calories. Namely C and P.

bearing in mind absorption of nutrients is 3 1/2 hours it make naff all difference

[BFG]

Originally Posted by Lost_Dog

You might try eliminating all dairy except milk based protein powders. They have almost all of the lactose removed in processing. Some are even labeled lactose free.

John Berardi is lactose intolerant and very much against drinking cow's milk, but still uses dairy based powders with no issue.

you should know by now I dont do powders n stuff

[karky]

So according to the article Lost dog needed, i should have 30g protein and 60g carbohydrate post workout, so that half a liter is a bit low on protein and a bit high on carbonhydrate, though the article said 0.2 - 0.4 g of protein per kg of body mass, the 30g protein is calculated with 0.4, so i guess its pretty much ok then? and is the extra carbonhydrate really that bad for you?

And my previous post was a bit incorrect, the 0.1 skimmed milk has a bit less CALS aswell, but has 0.1 g more carbonhydrate per 100g than the 0.7 fat milk.

[Lost Dog]

It depends on your goals. Too much of anything CAN make you fat. Those carbs aren't necessary, so I wouldn't make a habit of it.

I'm having trouble with the math, too. I'm as math challenged as BFG, plus the metric system is foreign to me.

[Lost Dog]

Originally Posted by BFG

you should know by now I dont do powders n stuff

Yes. But, I thought it was because you've eliminated dairy.

[Lost Dog]

Originally Posted by BFG

bearing in mind absorption of nutrients is 3 1/2 hours it make naff all difference

This doesn't have as much to do with pure digestion, but utilizing the anabolic state that your system is in immediately post workout. That anabolic state drops of rapidly without a quick influx of hi GI carbs and protein in liquid form. Taking care of your body, while in this state, actually makes it STAY anabolic longer. So, a liquid P/C drink lets your bod repair things, get ready for the next workout, and build muscle quicker, AND makes your body stay in that state for hours longer than it normally would. So, the next meal or so has time to kick in and do more positive work.

[karky]

Originally Posted by Lost_Dog

It depends on your goals. Too much of anything CAN make you fat. Those carbs aren't necessary, so I wouldn't make a habit of it.

I'm having trouble with the math, too. I'm as math challenged as BFG, plus the metric system is foreign to me.

Well i dont think they will kill me, i kind of have a hard time getting fat, but would it be better to cut the carbs down to 60, which is recommended in that article for my bodyweight, but doing that would also cut down the protein quite a bit.

[RedLefty]

If you don't mind, Reverend Brown would like to come in a make a comment about the original topic:

"If lovin' chocolate on bread is wrong, I don't wanna be right! Lord have mercy! Mmm, mmm... sombody oughta put nugatti on a plate and sop it up with a biscuit."