What's wrong with ketosis?

[jax]

are you keeping track of your fiber intake?

[Lost Dog]

Originally Posted by galya

honestly, do you know the ratio of your omegs 3s and 6s.

Yes. I have my own home blood test kit. Don't you? :p

I'm sure the ratio is still too high, even with the fish oils I take. But, the closer to optimum, the better.

When you say your cows are worse, what do you mean? What types of things do your cows eat?

I had heard that in Eastern Europe and many Asian countries, most animals were allowed to roam and find food (which for cows, would be grass). Perhaps I heard wrong.

[galya]

Smartass:p
Our cows are worse because we are a developing country. They roam in the summers, fine. The rest of time they eat donation food, leftover nasty GMO forrage, corn that some other country didn't want, fish and bone flour (basically dried up animals)...and who knows what else.
There are farmers that grow their cows naturally, but those are not the ones you will find in the store.
Occasionally, if you are lucky, your family paid someone to grow them a pig or cow and kill and freeze it up for them. I don't even want to comment on chicken. The government doesn't care, or if they do, there is so much corruption, no regulations matter. The consumer safety association just ran an independent research on 20 brands of natural yogurt and only 2 had live bacteria in it. All fat % was marked wrong. Stuff like that that makes us wonder. Of course, I walk out on the street and can get freshly picked vegetables from old ladies selling it to survive, cool. Grandpa has a greenhouse, cool. But commercial stuff is commercial stuff. UHT and homogenized milk are all over. Raw milk is dangerous unless you know the cow. It's not organic fairyland, if you know what I mean.
The only advantage we have is that if you want you can buy organic at a low price. But then, no labels on 99% of the foods, or food that has been marked wrong. It will take years for the EU to get things straight even if we got accepted.
Made this a long story but I hope it explains things better

[Iamjennmedic]

Hey I have by passed this thread a few times but i can't do it any longer. Does someone have a link to this diet I would like to read it. It seems scary to me but before I say anything I would like to read up on it first. Its kinda freakin me out that ppl are going to put themselves into a state of ketoacidosis on purpose. So I want to know what the precautions etc are. What kind of super vision you have on this diet. Just looking to gain the info so I can understand this whole concept. Also do you test your blood glucose levels on this diet? Sorry folks just finding the whole thing kind of confusing.
Thanks
Jenn

[Chris Correia]

Originally Posted by Iamjennmedic

Hey I have by passed this thread a few times but i can't do it any longer. Does someone have a link to this diet I would like to read it. It seems scary to me but before I say anything I would like to read up on it first. Its kinda freakin me out that ppl are going to put themselves into a state of ketoacidosis on purpose. So I want to know what the precautions etc are. What kind of super vision you have on this diet. Just looking to gain the info so I can understand this whole concept. Also do you test your blood glucose levels on this diet? Sorry folks just finding the whole thing kind of confusing.
Thanks
Jenn

I originally posted because of similar sentiments/questions. The main place I know of to read some articles is Lyle McDonald's site:

www.bodyrecomposition.com

But it does take some work to to get through his articles. I just wanted some basic or simple explanations and guidance.

Of course, how wrong can one go by just eating protein and veggies? Sounds rather natural, no?

[galya]

Originally Posted by Iamjennmedic

Hey I have by passed this thread a few times but i can't do it any longer. Does someone have a link to this diet I would like to read it. It seems scary to me but before I say anything I would like to read up on it first. Its kinda freakin me out that ppl are going to put themselves into a state of ketoacidosis on purpose. So I want to know what the precautions etc are. What kind of super vision you have on this diet. Just looking to gain the info so I can understand this whole concept. Also do you test your blood glucose levels on this diet? Sorry folks just finding the whole thing kind of confusing.
Thanks
Jenn

Hey Jenn,
there is a difference between ketosis and ketoacidosis. The latter is an issue with diabetics. You can google this, similar questions have been asked a lot.

[Iamjennmedic]

Thanks Chris and Galya I do some reading..I still have concerns bout hpoglycemia and ketoacidosis can happen without being diabetic. This is where my concerns and questions stem from. Thanks for the links.

[Lost Dog]

No-Carb Vs. Low-Carb

Here's a little blurb on no vs low carb. It won't take you long to read it. Promise.

It doesn't cover cows eating fish. That's still weird. I'm going to have nightmares...

[Chris Correia]

Originally Posted by Lost_Dog

It doesn't cover cows eating fish. That's still weird. I'm going to have nightmares...

LOL. I can plant even worse images than that in your mind, if you'd like.

[Lost Dog]

Originally Posted by Chris Correia

LOL. I can plant even worse images than that in your mind, if you'd like.

Coast To Coast AM has that covered, I think!

Now, I'm just worried about mad fish disease, too.

[Iamjennmedic]

Thanks Roland. Still reading... still have issues with the whole thing. But what ever floats your boat. I don't see how putting your body into this state is a good thing. Metobolic acidosis is not a favorable state for your body.. I have some issues on the whole thing. But I'll keep my mouth shut. Good Luck with it Chris hope it does whatever you are hopeing for.

[Lost Dog]

"Ketosis-Lipolysis is not Ketoacidosis"

Here's a description of the difference between the two.

I don't know enough to know if there's anything wrong with ketosis. I have no desire to try to, so the point is moot.

[Iamjennmedic]

Originally Posted by Lost_Dog

"Ketosis-Lipolysis is not Ketoacidosis"

Here's a description of the difference between the two.

I don't know enough to know if there's anything wrong with ketosis. I have no desire to try to, so the point is moot.

I know the difference, just from a health stand point I can't really see how putting your body in a state that releases toxic like wastes is a good thing. And the signs and symptoms point to a not so good for you state. Has anyone done a good study (unbias) of what the longer term effects are on the organs and tissues of the body.

[Chris Correia]

Originally Posted by Iamjennmedic

Thanks Roland. Still reading... still have issues with the whole thing. But what ever floats your boat. I don't see how putting your body into this state is a good thing. Metobolic acidosis is not a favorable state for your body.. I have some issues on the whole thing. But I'll keep my mouth shut. Good Luck with it Chris hope it does whatever you are hopeing for.

It's an experiment. I'm figuring I'll just go low carb after a bit; but, whether a bit is two weeks, a month? I'll see how things go.

The process is a natural process. Again, living off meat and foraged veggies and berries is pretty low carb. It's a reather natural diet, in many ways, I would think. We need a Johnka post on this!

[Iamjennmedic]

Originally Posted by Chris Correia

It's an experiment. I'm figuring I'll just go low carb after a bit; but, whether a bit is two weeks, a month? I'll see how things go.

The process is a natural process. Again, living off meat and foraged veggies and berries is pretty low carb. It's a reather natural diet, in many ways, I would think. We need a Johnka post on this!

That doesn't sound bad. But the side effects from the stuff I have been reading are not good. I have to read further into it to get the info I need to make a decision on it. The diet you sound like you are making sounds like plain old healthy eating. I need to do more research. I 'm still not sure of the whole thing. Maybe if you could post an average day on this diet I may get a better idea. It justs seems the whole fuzzy head, acetone breath etc thing I don't like. What is that doing to your internal workings. What are the long term effects. If the fat your are in fact burning is the lipid soluable fats what about the other, isn't that the fat you want to get rid of. Do you check you glucose levels and do you check your electrolyte levels etc. I'm just concerned with the effects on the system as a whole. I hope no one thinks I 'm bashing the diet. I'm definately not , I'm just not sure I get the whole picture on it. So I'm trying to get it

[Chris Correia]

Originally Posted by Iamjennmedic

That doesn't sound bad. But the side effects from the stuff I have been reading are not good. I have to read further into it to get the info I need to make a decision on it. The diet you sound like you are making sounds like plain old healthy eating. I need to do more research. I 'm still not sure of the whole thing. Maybe if you could post an average day on this diet I may get a better idea. It justs seems the whole fuzzy head, acetone breath etc thing I don't like. What is that doing to your internal workings. What are the long term effects. If the fat your are in fact burning is the lipid soluable fats what about the other, isn't that the fat you want to get rid of. Do you check you glucose levels and do you check your electrolyte levels etc. I'm just concerned with the effects on the system as a whole. I hope no one thinks I 'm bashing the diet. I'm definately not , I'm just not sure I get the whole picture on it. So I'm trying to get it

Basic and brief. Nothing very in depth. Somwhat opposing viewpoints.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketosis

http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/articles...ectionId=12159


EDIT: Paper on targeted use of ketones:

http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/NR/rdonlyre...fe2001_241.pdf