FYI...Biotest Flameout! - Back in Stock

[Blackjack]

They're still out of the Choc & Vanilla MD though. I ordered some orange...anyone tried it?

[oxymoron]

Orange is pretty good.. I made a shake with frozen strawberries and orange MD - quite a good combo.

[eros]

lol I see that the biotest marketing machine has continued to grow
don't waste your money on supplements :s

[Ogedei]

Isn't flameout just biotest's "fish oil" supplement, and if so, what's wrong with supplementing it.

Although I will admit to being confused as to why it's flavored...

Og.

[Canadian_Bacon]

Ogedei, I think the issue people has is the way they market it as the only one worth taking and that the other ones are inferior.

In reality their are many other fish oil products that are just as good which have actually been independently tested for quality/purity (flameout hasn't). The other brands are cheaper aswell.

If money is not an issue and you are somehow convinced that such a small amount of mixed isomer CLA does shit all in humans then by all means go w/ flameout.

IMHO a person would be better off getting straight fish oil and supplementing w/ sesamine if you want another fatty-acid supplement.

[Ogedei]

Oh yeah I get all that, it just seemed like eros was saying that all supplements are crap and should be avoided.

Where as I would notmally agree with that sentiment, and biotest sells alot I would never bother with, Flameout is simply a fish oil supplement and therefore one that we should take.

Is it more expensive? No clue I don't buy on-line, I will take your word for it.

Og.

[Blackjack]

Not to be a Biotest commercial, but I think some of you guys really need to do some research into these products before saying they're over-priced and not worth it.

Flameout is more expensive but you only have to take 4 caps per day due to the higher levels of DHA and EPA in each cap. Plus it has a different ratio - according to the article, males actually require more DHA that females. But the ratio in most regular fish oil capsules is the opposite. Which makes me think that they were designed for women.

Flameout has 2200mg of DHA & 880mg of EPA - that's for 4 capsules!!

Another fish oil supp they compared had 280mg of DHA and 320mg of EPA in the same 4 caps.

More is better right? Few pills to swallow a day is better right? Is it worth the extra $$, you decide.

Research on CLA is inconclusive - so that doesn't enter into the equasion for me at least.

Do the research yourself and make the decision based on that research. Don't put blanket statements on supps or the manufaturer's based on the name or something.

I mentioned Metabolic Drive in another thread and someone told me that fat loss supps don't work. They didn't even know it's freakin protein powder, not a fat loss supp.!!!

Just my $.02

[getgot211]

Originally Posted by Blackjack

Not to be a Biotest commercial, but I think some of you guys really need to do some research into these products before saying they're over-priced and not worth it.

i hope reading t-nation.com isn't what you consider 'research'

More is better right?

you sure about that?

Few pills to swallow a day is better right? Is it worth the extra $$, you decide.

gram for gram paying 5 times as much...not so much

Research on CLA is inconclusive - so that doesn't enter into the equasion for me at least.

if they use it as a means to jack up the price then idk how you can say it doesn't enter the equation

[Blackjack]

You've got a great point there. From here on out I'll just consider all articles on working out and product posted on T-Nation to be propaganda intended to sell their suppliments. I'll also put bodybuilding.com, and any other site that sells what they write articles on. Actually, I think I might not visit that site at all anymore. I'll stick to shopping at Wallgreen's...do they have a website...no?...good.

Actually, my point was that it was pretty evident that people were saying the CLA was the only reason the product is more expensive but I viewed it as you were getting much more fish oil in fewer doses, which does have it's advantages. BTW, it's not five times as much...may want to check your math. But I'm guessing all the other articles in magazines and on line I've read about fish oil and it's advantages were only intended to sell more, even though they aren't selling any. Must be a kick-back somewhere. For the most part the supps on T-Nation aren't worth it, but they've got some quality protein, some decent postworkout powder, creatine and now fish oil. None of those things are generally disputed as being beneficial supps. Per research done at T-nation or other sources I've read....

Wonder why most all nutritionists and trainers recommend supplimenting fish oil and higher than label recommendations? More kick-backs I suspect.

Thanks for setting me straight. Reminds me of one of my favorite quotes I've seen in quite a while...

people have different views on almost every single aspect training/dieting

no one is correct 100% of the time...anyone who acts like they are is a douche bag

I appreciate the help.

[boss99er]

Flameout is like any other convenience item. You pay for easy. I figured it up, and my math probably sucks but here is what I got. For this example I am only going to figure the DHA. At walmart they had bottles of 120 capsules. 2 capsules was a serving so there are 60 servings in a bottle. In each serving (2 capsules) there were 280 mg of DHA. Each bottle costs 6.50. Flameout has 22 servings per bottle with 2200 mg of DHA per serving. So total for the walmart brand, there is 16800 mg of DHA per bottle. For flameout there is 48400 mg of DHA per bottle. Since the flameout is 25 bucks I need to take the walmart brand times 3.8 to get even prices. This makes 63840 mg for 25 dollars of the walmart brand and 48400 mg for 25 dollars of flameout. So by saying that it is 5 times more expensive, you are dead wrong. Its actually 1.31 times more expensive. But....you get the CLA (not sure if that is helpful or worthless), you get the ratio that is more beneficial to men, and you get the convenience of taking only 4 pills instead of 10 to get the same amount of fish oil. Like I said, this is only for the DHA but it puts it a little more into prospective. Ha ha, I think I better go to bed before I start thinking about other stuff. All this from a guy who doesnt take flameout or any fish oil for that matter. I might have to start though.

[Canadian_Bacon]

I can get 100 capsules of 65-70% EPA/DHA for less then flameout. This is just as concentrated. It may have less DHA (but more EPA) then Flameout but show me some solid research backing up the claim that more DHA then EPA makes a noticable difference and I will maybe be convinced.

[getgot211]

holy shit...this is now the 3rd time ive posted this here and was originally posted by WIguy on MH

Flame Out:
$25/bottle for 90 caps
$.28 cents per cap
550mg DHA/220mg EPA per cap
Per cap, it is 28.6% EPA and 71.4% DHA
$.08 of each cap goes to EPA
$.20 of each cap goes to DHA
... $.36 per 1g DHA
... $.36 per 1g EPA

Compared to Sam's Club Fish Oil

$7/bottle for 300 caps
$.02 cents per cap
120mg DHA/180mg EPA per cap
Per cap, it is 60.0% EPA and 40.0% DHA
$.012 of each cap goes to EPA
$.008 of each cap goes to DHA
... $.067 per 1g DHA
... $.067 per 1g EPA

whats that? "gram for gram" yeah, good one.

note that in the FO thread several members somehow got some pretty shitty numbers as well. suffice to say biotest supps dont make you better at math.

But I'm guessing all the other articles in magazines and on line I've read about fish oil and it's advantages were only intended to sell more, even though they aren't selling any. Must be a kick-back somewhere

yeah cause i did say fish oil in general should be avoided...may want to check your reading comprehension.

its great that you're happy to blindly follow what supp companies tell you and get defensive about someone telling you that overpriced supps aren't worth it. i'm not demanding people avoid it, i'm suggesting against it. as a poor college kid, and one who realizes that many, many people who post on forums like this one, damned if i'm ever gonna tell someone theres a benefit from paying more for something. if you get some psychological or placebo by paying more and you don't mind the extra cash, by all means go ahead. but don't turn into an ass when someone tells you theres no need to pay more.

[boss99er]

Originally Posted by getgot211

...whats that? "gram for gram" yeah, good one.

...note that in the FO thread several members somehow got some pretty shitty numbers as well. suffice to say biotest supps dont make you better at math.

...may want to check your reading comprehension.

...but don't turn into an ass when someone tells you theres no need to pay more.

Maybe you should take your own advice. You tell others not to turn into an ass but look at some quotes from your last post. Who says your math is correct and others math is flawed. Take a look at mine and fine where I screwed it up. According to your, yes it does look like it costs way more, but then look at mine and the results are different. I guess its just the way you look at it. Now be a good boy and go take some fish oil caps.....maybe it will calm your nerves.

Oh, and its not biotest products that makes my math bad...I dont take any. My math is bad all on its own.

[Blackjack]

getgot...

Reading some of your other posts, the last paragraph above does not surprise me. If you want to attack someone personally, do in a pm, not in a public forum. Save that crap for MH or some other forum. We have a pretty nice and mutually respectful community here and JP usually doesn't care for this type of behavior. You've already got quite a little reputation around here for that type of post, so I'll leave it at that and pretty much ignore any future posts from you.

Have a good life.