Diet, Nutrition and SupplementationPost here for supplement reviews or nutritional advice. If you're trying to get "ripped abz" THIS is where you should be.
As stated in a previous thread I started taking Lipo6 on Sunday February 28th. For the past week I have consumed only 1/4th of the recommended dose, ½ hour before breakfast, which breaks down to one pill a day.
As recommended, I have avoided all Liver, Cheese, and red wine because it can cause hypertension. Other than the above my eating habits are the same, as well as my cardio and weight lifting program.
The first day on Lipo6 I felt somewhat jittery along with nausea and a cold sweat, almost the same effect I got from Ephedra. Other than that my experience so far has been very good.
Jan 1st 2006 after my bulk I was at 219lbs, I quickly lost (2 weeks) 8lbs before hitting a wall at 211lbs. Up until today I have been between 211 and 208lbs, as stated above I started 1/4th of the dose one week ago and today I weighed in at 204.5.
Now I really don’t care for weight loss supplements but this one has seemed to help get me moving in the right direction after nearly 2 months of frustration.
Hm... I have been taking the full dose for about a week now and only went down about 5 pounds... But then again, I also started trying to bulk back up and heavy lifting in the gym. so I am only take lipo 6 to try and maintain the fat I have, and not let it get out of control as I build muscle...
Maybe your right, this is why I am only posting my weight on Monday's.
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Nice man thanks for the update. Proof that some weight loss supps arent BS like some say.
-Kevin
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Not really sure how you consider a one week observation to be proof.
Maybe tomorrow the scale says 211 again? who knows.
Man, thats alot of weight. The norm is 1-3 lbs a week. What are your current stats again (weight)
-Kevin
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6'5" 240 lbs as of now...
my goal is to lose more belly fat and take my bicepts from 16 3/4 inchers to 22 inches... Thicken my chest out more, thicken up quads a bit... get massive shoulders...
If you plan on taking your biceps from 16 3/4 inches to 22 inches, I would ditch the Lipo6 and focus on something that’s going to help you put on muscle. You need to make a choice between fat loss and building muscle. I hate to sound like a broken record here but unless you’re a genetic-freak or doing steroids you can’t have both. [ QUOTE ]
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ONLY 5 POUNDS!!!
Man, thats alot of weight. The norm is 1-3 lbs a week. What are your current stats again (weight)
-Kevin
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6'5" 240 lbs as of now...
my goal is to lose more belly fat and take my bicepts from 16 3/4 inchers to 22 inches... Thicken my chest out more, thicken up quads a bit... get massive shoulders...
Yeah, what OG said. One week is hardly proof that something does or doesn't work. If you ditched your diet after a week because it "wasn't working" - you'd never see any results. You really need to give a supplement, diet, or workout plan for that matter some time to prove it's worth or lack thereof. Patience is key.
On the topic of this thread, it'll be good to see what type of results you get from Lipo. A lot of folks feel at a loss without ephedra, so best of luck.
I upped the dose to 3 pills a day starting this morning, 2 in the morning and one in the afternoon. I am working my way up to 4 pills a day slowly because of my body’s sensitivity to these kinds of supplements; I also don’t want to do anything to disrupt my sleep. Next Friday I will go up to 4 pills a day, things seem to be looking better, I will have a weight for everyone Monday. [ QUOTE ]
Yeah, what OG said. One week is hardly proof that something does or doesn't work. If you ditched your diet after a week because it "wasn't working" - you'd never see any results. You really need to give a supplement, diet, or workout plan for that matter some time to prove it's worth or lack thereof. Patience is key.
On the topic of this thread, it'll be good to see what type of results you get from Lipo. A lot of folks feel at a loss without ephedra, so best of luck.
FYI, these type of supplements really do not add up to much as far as extra calories burned. DNP which is probably the best 'fat burner' ever found (but it will kill you and should NEVER EVER be fooled around with unless you have some serious doctor supervision) only raises BMR by 10-20%. so an extra 100-200 calories if your BMR is around 2000.
This is a lot but keep in mind this stuff is so strong it can KILL you if you take to much. Dont expect anything near that from any products OTC. I imagine a few %'s max is all one could expect.
I suspect most act as mild deuretics so you are carrying around less water and loosing some when you first go on it. Not neccisarily a good thing but it makes the scale move and cloths fit a little looser.
so in that case if they burn what 200 calories a day thats 1400 a week and you have shit side affects and 4 litres of ice cold water will burn 1400 calories a week it goes back to my other post on the subject.
Yov you know you are sensitive you worry about the side affects have you tried super hyrdation and calorie cycling that wont create any of the issues that concern you????
Can you please provide more detail?
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so in that case if they burn what 200 calories a day thats 1400 a week and you have shit side affects and 4 litres of ice cold water will burn 1400 calories a week it goes back to my other post on the subject.
Yov you know you are sensitive you worry about the side affects have you tried super hyrdation and calorie cycling that wont create any of the issues that concern you????
I hav rounded down the figures to make it simpler otherwise the post would be way too long:
The science bit is that the colder the water is the more calories burnt in increasing the water temperature to that of your body (37.5 degrees)
So, with some maths, to raise each 1g (i.e. 1ml) of water 1 degree in temperature takes 1 calorie (note, not Kilo-calories, or kcal) of energy.
Therefore, drinking say 1 litre of ice cold (0 degrees) water expends the following energy:
1000 x 37 = 37000 calorie = 37Kcals.
Therefore, drinking the recommended 4litres of water a day burns you 148 Kcals a day, or around 1000Kcal a week, equivalent to around 150g of fat.
Now you will say that isnt the 1400 as I stated but 1 ml of water actualy weighs more than 1g but as I say it makes the visibility and explanation so confusing if you put all the decimilations in but when comparing it to 4000mls you can see where the variance comes in
Thanks, I am familiar with how clod water burns fat but I guess it is something that I have neglected as of late. I drink a lot of water but it’s not all that cold, I will change this immediately.
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so in that case if they burn what 200 calories a day thats 1400 a week and you have shit side affects and 4 litres of ice cold water will burn 1400 calories a week it goes back to my other post on the subject.
Yov you know you are sensitive you worry about the side affects have you tried super hyrdation and calorie cycling that wont create any of the issues that concern you????
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I think you have Calories and calories confused. The capital DOES make a big difference:
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First of all, calories are case-sensitive. There are calories and then there are Calories. Calories with a big "c" are the ones used to describe the amount of energy contained in foods. A calorie with a little "c" is defined as the amount of energy it takes to raise the temperature of 1 gram of water 1 degree Celsius. What most people think of as a Calorie is actually a kilo-calorie: It takes one Calorie to raise the temperature of 1 kilogram of water 1 degree Celsius. So when you drink a 140-Calorie can of cola, you are ingesting 140,000 calories. There is no cause for alarm, because the conversion applies across the board. When you burn 100 Calories jogging a mile, you are burning 100,000 calories.
So, considering that the definition of a calorie is based on raising the temperature of water, it is safe to say that your body burns calories when it has to raise the temperature of ice water to your body temperature. And unless your urine is coming out ice cold, your body must be raising the temperature of the water. So calories are being burned.
Let's figure out exactly what you're burning when you drink a 16-ounce (0.5 liter) glass of ice water:
* The temperature of ice water can be estimated at zero degrees Celsius.
* Body temperature can be estimated at 37 degrees Celsius.
* It takes 1 calorie to raise 1 gram of water 1 degree Celsius.
* There are 473.18 grams in 16 fluid ounces of water.
So in the case of a 16-ounce glass of ice water, your body must raise the temperature of 473.18 grams of water from zero to 37 degrees C. In doing so, your body burns 17,508 calories. But that's calories with a little "c." Your body only burns 17.5 Calories, and in the grand scheme of a 2,000-Calorie diet, that 17.5 isn't very significant.
But let's say you adhere to the "eight 8-ounce glasses of water a day" nutritional recommendation. In 64 ounces of water, there are 1,892.72 grams. So to warm up all that water in the course of a day, your body burns 70,030 calories, or 70 Calories. And over time, that 70 Calories a day adds up. So, while you definitely shouldn't depend on ice water consumption to replace exercise or a healthy diet, drinking cold water instead of warm water does, in fact, burn some extra Calories!
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It does not burn 1400 Calories. It burns 1400 calories. Their is a big difference as what you see on packaging and calculate is in Calories w/ a capital C.
PS: My original post on DNP should be all w/ Big C Calories. I am loosey goosey w/ notation b/c the other type is barely ever used.
Yeah DNP is not joke...basically will cook you from the inside out. Keeps your body temp high and is basically compared to jogging at a slow pace all day long 24/7....I wouldnt mess with it.
It does not burn 1400 Calories. It burns 1400 calories. Their is a big difference as what you see on packaging and calculate is in Calories w/ a capital C.
no it actualy burns 1400 kcals is what I meant to say unless you dont refer to them as that over there but we do here.
so apart from the typo at the end what I said was correct
no it actualy burns 1400 kcals is what I meant to say unless you dont refer to them as that over there but we do here.
so apart from the typo at the end what I said was correct
Ok, nutritional units arent really something I have cared to investigate too closely but from my understanding 1kcal = 1 Calories(which is written on nutritional labels). I dont see how it is possible that drinking cold water can burn >1000 Calories a week. That is a HUGE amount and I couldnt find anything on google to support that high of a number.
Almost all sources said something closer to 20 Calories/week.
Your sources are wrong there are other factors that affect the calorific burn other than the temperature but for the simplified equation hope this helps
Sorry about the delay, for some reason my bookmark wasn’t working, I thought the site was down. Anyway here’s your Monday update.
I have decided to go back to 2 pills a day, one in the morning and one in the afternoon which is half of the recommended dose. Monday morning I weighed in at 204.0, my lowest weight since before the wedding in September. Stay tuned for next Monday’s update.
Your sources are wrong there are other factors that affect the calorific burn other than the temperature but for the simplified equation hope this helps
But let's say you adhere to the "eight 8-ounce glasses of water a day" nutritional recommendation. In 64 ounces of water, there are 1,892.72 grams. So to warm up all that water in the course of a day, your body burns 70,030 calories, or 70 Calories. And over time, that 70 Calories a day adds up. So, while you definitely shouldn't depend on ice water consumption to replace exercise or a healthy diet, drinking cold water instead of warm water does, in fact, burn some extra Calories!
70 calories a day would equal 490 a week. More then I said but that is still half of the 1000 your original post claimed.
so in that case if they burn what 200 calories a day thats 1400 a week and you have shit side affects and 4 litres of ice cold water will burn 1400 calories a week
err go do the math CB
I dont know what your beef; is Im posting fact, back yours up with some or quit trying to discredit it
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"The time for talking has passed, actions are speaking louder than words."
no I'm not taking any sides boys, but BFG, you haven't supported anything with "fact." Just because someone is a phD doesn't mean you can believe everything. You've just shown articles on the web which mean nothing inthe scientific community. Peer reviewed scientific journal articles are the only thing that could really show the "facts" .... P.S. just to show you I'm not trying to beat up on you:
Boschmann, Michael, et al, "Water-Induced Thermogenesis," Journal of Clinical Endocinology & Metabolism 88: 6015-6019, 2003
would be a great article to help your point along..
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no I'm not taking any sides boys, but BFG, you haven't supported anything with "fact." Just because someone is a phD doesn't mean you can believe everything. You've just shown articles on the web which mean nothing inthe scientific community. Peer reviewed scientific journal articles are the only thing that could really show the "facts" .... P.S. just to show you I'm not trying to beat up on you:
Boschmann, Michael, et al, "Water-Induced Thermogenesis," Journal of Clinical Endocinology & Metabolism 88: 6015-6019, 2003
would be a great article to help your point along..
Inch point taken but Im not gonna sit here and search the net for a scientific journal when a) its basic school science when it comes to heating water and calorific expenditure and b) most of us aint familiar or learned enough to interpret the bloomin things anyway.
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"The time for talking has passed, actions are speaking louder than words."
Well I don't see how you guys are argueing. The example says if you drink 64oz of water/day equals about 70cal/day. Every weight lifter and athlete I know consumes far more than 64oz of water a day so you could both be right.
On another note, just because the act of heating the water to body temperature is scientifically sound, doesn't mean that you should count those burned calories into your nutrition plan. I haven't been able to find any sort of human metabolic research done into what kind of calories this causes you to burn. In the end, I drink cold water because it doesn't hurt, but I don't count on it to help either.
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