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I have been on it for about 4 days now... So of course I havnt seen the long term results... It does boost my metabolism though I noticed and I dont crave bad foods as much...
Anyone have any good or bad testimonials on this product?
I can't knock Lipo 6. If you are over 30 lbs overweight it may help give you a nice boost in the fat loss. Some people stack it with ephedrine hcl which you can get easly and legally online.
i do not recommend the mixing of the two though because Lipo 6 contains Yohimbe HCL 3mg. When ephedrine hcl is added it can be too much.
larabbee cant believe you are standing there promoting that and you call yourself a wanna bee fitness pro.
a) Ephederine is banned for a reason regardless of what form it is in it is still simply dangerous
b) There is no conclusive proof that it has any beneficial results over and above what a good diet, training and water consumption can achieve (in fact I proved against someone taking Melting Point I actualy lost 1% more body fat than they did in a shorter period of time). recent studies actualy proved superhydration of water consumption is far better anyway.
And as for saying that those whoe are inexcess of X amount overweight can really benefit that is the biggest load of garbage I have ever read, sorry
Im not saying you turn a blind eye to people who ask about these products but if you are gonna post it up expect criticism.
I know Im anti supps and fat burners and I have bit my tongue on a number of other posts but I wont when it comes to promoting things that are a) dangerous and b) have no foundation of proof that they are beneficial
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larabbee cant believe you are standing there promoting that and you call yourself a wanna bee fitness pro.
a) Ephederine is banned for a reason regardless of what form it is in it is still simply dangerouys
b) There is no conclusive proof that it has any beneficial results over and above what a good diet, training and water consumption can achieve (in fact I proved against someone taking Melting Point I actualy lost 1% more body fat than they did in a shorter period of time). recent studies actualy proved superhydration of water consumption is far better anyway.
And as for saying that those whoe are inexcess of X amount overweight can really benefit that is the biggest load of garbage I have ever read, sorry
Im noy saying you turn a blind eye to people who ask about these products but if you are gonna post it up expect criticism.
I know Im anti supps and fat burners and I have bit my tongue on a number of other posts but I wont when it comes to promoting things that are a) dangerous and b) have no foundation of proof that they are beneficial
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Alright, hold it.
Have you ever taken the product? Do you know anyone who has taken the product?
Well I have and I did. When I hit a wall while eating clean and losing 1 or 2 lbs a week I took the product because my friend had taken it and had great results. I took it and got through that wall I was at losing no weight for 2 weeks, in the next 2 weeks I lost 2 lbs each. So don't bash the product if you have never tried it. Sometimes while cutting you may hit that wall and need something to get through it. It sounds like you accuse me of the equivelent of telling him to take steroids. And thats not the case.
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1) Ephedrine HCL was NEVER banned by the government. The form of ephedrine in the HCL is weaker than the Mu Hung extract that was found back in the day of Stacker 2 and Xenardine. And I didn't tell him to take ephedrine. I just think people should know of everything that is commonly used out there.
b) I never said I had proof from studies that Lipo 6 works. Of course you can not take it and eat everything in your house and not go to the gym. Maybe I should have made that clearer.
So you feel that promoting a substance that is designed for reduction of cold symptoms is responsible of a fitness professional?????
No you are correct I havent tried it, I adjusted my training, diet and activity to overcome plateus and continued to lose 2 1/2 lbs a week without turning to a wish pill.
My colleague has tried every supplement going and fat burner going he rattles so much and I and others have continued to out perform him.
yes Ephedrine in the format you referred to is banned. however sufficient medical studies are out there to show that all forms of Ephedrine are unsuitable and frankly dangerous
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It sounds like you accuse me of the equivelent of telling him to take steroids. And thats not the case.
I just think people should know of everything that is commonly used out there.
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might as well put them both in the same sentance there aint much difference. both are being used for a purpose they were not designed for and as such outcomes and responses of the individual are questionable and concerning
Am talking Eph here and not the product he was referring to
Thanks for the replies, and agruements, lol....
I am going to stick to the LIPO 6, but not stack the other on top... Might give the caffien pills a shot before the gym...
Here my problem... I am 240 Lbs. 6'5" and I wanna get BIGGER... BUT, I DONT wanna get FATTER.
My goal weight is 265, by or byfore this summer... so I have 4 months... I am taking fat loss pills to at least help limit the amount of fat gain, but when I take protien and NO_Explode it just seems like im blowin up, both in the muscles and in the stomache...
My other goal... right now my Biscepts/Arms are measured at 16 3/4 inches... I wanna be in the 20-22inch range... Heres an updated pic of my, its small, i Know...
I want HUGE shoulder and WAY bigger Bi's and Tri's!
well get your nutritional count right and keep the fat intake low and you wont need em :-) Otherwise you are burning unnecesary calories if thats the case.
Use fit day to track your food or have a look at the calorie sheets I will put up, altho am cycling up my cals to circa 4000 gradualy so I dont just lump on the lard. Keep your water intake up after all muscle is 70% water but you will also get the thermobolic affect and metabolisation benefits, aim for 4 litres a day as you would with a cut (altho this tends to be higher then).
Im just about to embark on a similar goal (as an online challenge for a new venture) over the next 4 months and aim to keep my body fat sub 13%. Far bigger than me on the muscle stats already tho.
I shall also be doing it without any supps whatsoever (details will go up in my log hopefuly in the next 14 days, together with training plan and diet etc. As well as the other site Im gonna be posting it all in my log here as I love this place :-)
Sorry didnt mean to get into an argument but will always shout down the old ECA stack argument and any use of Eph as its bloody irresponsible to promote or suggest it in the first place IMO.
yes Ephedrine in the format you referred to is banned. however sufficient medical studies are out there to show that all forms of Ephedrine are unsuitable and frankly dangerous
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Ephedrine HCL isn't banned and isn't just in cold medication. You can buy it as a weightloss/energy stack at any gas station counter or online supplement store.
Can I see these medical studies proving the danger? Not just websites or doctor quotes, but actual studies.
HCL is currently under scrutiny by the EU advisory board on the long term safety of the substance due to its rife abuse and early indications are that this form will be banned as well.
I was in dialogue with the Food Standards Agency in the UK regarding this in the last few weeks
yes Ephedrine in the format you referred to is banned. however sufficient medical studies are out there to show that all forms of Ephedrine are unsuitable and frankly dangerous
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Ephedrine HCL isn't banned and isn't just in cold medication. You can buy it as a weightloss/energy stack at any gas station counter or online supplement store.
Can I see these medical studies proving the danger? Not just websites or doctor quotes, but actual studies.
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sorry Danny that was mistyped earlier hadnt seen that meant to say that in that format it is not banned, you are correct I appologise but as I have just put it is subject to scrutiny at present as they have sufficient concerns over this product too to warrant investigation
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So you feel that promoting a substance that is designed for reduction of cold symptoms is responsible of a fitness professional?????
No you are correct I havent tried it, I adjusted my training, diet and activity to overcome plateus and continued to lose 2 1/2 lbs a week without turning to a wish pill.
My colleague has tried every supplement going and fat burner going he rattles so much and I and others have continued to out perform him.
yes Ephedrine in the format you referred to is banned. however sufficient medical studies are out there to show that all forms of Ephedrine are unsuitable and frankly dangerous
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It is not like Lipo 6 doesn't work. It won't work like i stated before if you don't have you diet and exersice in check. I am not stating it is an amazing wonder supp, just another option.
And the reason I included the info on ephedrine hcl is because it is sometimes stacked with caffeine or lipo 6. I am not promoting the use of it, I haven't used the two together, but I mentioned it because it is information related to the topic? Does it hurt to give people extra information about this???
And again that form of ephedrine hcl is NOT BANNED in the United States, it may be in the UK, i don't know since I don't live there, but I believe you when you say it.
And any supplement can ne dangerous when it is not taken as dirrected. Many people do an EC stack with little to no negative side effects. But again you have to be smart about it and do the research.
So please get off my ass for contributing and adding knowledge that I had on the subject.
larrabee as I posted earlier that was a mistype yes you are right HCL is currently not banned, but there are moves afoot to extend the ban all though this is a point of contention within the supplement industry
Yes people do use ECA stacks but it doesnt make it sensible or an option you would necesarily condone. Would have responded the same whoever had put that up. Would have expected the sensible answer from anyone to be: diet, training, hydration and sleep is what gets results not wish pills that make minimal if not negligible differences.
Just putting up a counter argument shouldnt have turned it on you it just p*sses me off as these products are a waste of money for majority and make negligible difference if any and with a risk involved that most are totaly unaware of.
Actually there is nothing wrong with doing an ECA or EC stack if done properly. Of course first your diet has to be in check and your workouts must be on point.
BFG- being that you are practically a newbie yourself on this site, I find it kind of amusing that you are screaming at someone else that is providing advice. Maybe you should do some research of your own and see that ephedrine, and the original ban of it, is a very controversial subject...just a thought.
In your opinion you consider ECA a safe stack "if done properly" but numerous others would disagree with you in both a professional and personal capacity.
Maybe Raymond you should not assume that I am new to fitness having been involved in sport in one form or another for the past 20 years+ whether it be coaching or participating, a post count on here does not reflect your knowledge.
I have done my research and yes it is a controversial subject, I have formulated my opinion based on the given facts by both sides of the argument hence my post based on my beliefs.
But I consider that any trainer worth their salt would know that results dont come from a pot and maybe there is a place for these cutting stacks/fat burners in the upper echelons of body building whereby diet, training, nutrition and medical status are monitored (even then I personaly feel the risks out way the benefits), but I do not consider them a safe item to be dispensed without adequate knowledge, monitoring or control.
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Actually there is nothing wrong with doing an ECA or EC stack if done properly. Of course first your diet has to be in check and your workouts must be on point.
BFG- being that you are practically a newbie yourself on this site, I find it kind of amusing that you are screaming at someone else that is providing advice. Maybe you should do some research of your own and see that ephedrine, and the original ban of it, is a very controversial subject...just a thought.
I agree with larrabee and raymond on this one, I don't see any harm in suggesting E/C, much less just putting the info out there.
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you can read plenty of reports of the fatalitys and indeed the incidents of illness that ensued that has been attributed to it
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But none of these reports will have any information about the amount used, or the medical history of the person(s) in question. Both of these would be things considered very important in determing whether or not ephedrine would be considered dangerous at a regular dosage (25mg). Guess what? If someone with hypertension takes ephedrine it is going to make things worse, and said person will experience negative side effects. Is most likely the case that in the incidents where fatalities and illness occured the product was either being used at a high dosage, or there were other medical problems that weren't taken into consideration before use.
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larabbee cant believe you are standing there promoting that and you call yourself a wanna bee fitness pro.
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Yes people do use ECA stacks but it doesnt make it sensible or an option you would necesarily condone. Would have responded the same whoever had put that up. Would have expected the sensible answer from anyone to be: diet, training, hydration and sleep is what gets results not wish pills that make minimal if not negligible differences.
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The guy asked whether or not the supplement worked, and larrabee gave him an answer to his question. It was unfair for you to jump his ass and assume that he regards supplements as a magic bullet, or would suggest supplement use to a client before making sure all else was in place.
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I agree with larrabee and raymond on this one, I don't see any harm in suggesting E/C, much less just putting the info out there.
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you can read plenty of reports of the fatalitys and indeed the incidents of illness that ensued that has been attributed to it
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But none of these reports will have any information about the amount used, or the medical history of the person(s) in question. Both of these would be things considered very important in determing whether or not ephedrine would be considered dangerous at a regular dosage (25mg). Guess what? If someone with hypertension takes ephedrine it is going to make things worse, and said person will experience negative side effects. Is most likely the case that in the incidents where fatalities and illness occured the product was either being used at a high dosage, or there were other medical problems that weren't taken into consideration before use.
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larabbee cant believe you are standing there promoting that and you call yourself a wanna bee fitness pro.
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Yes people do use ECA stacks but it doesnt make it sensible or an option you would necesarily condone. Would have responded the same whoever had put that up. Would have expected the sensible answer from anyone to be: diet, training, hydration and sleep is what gets results not wish pills that make minimal if not negligible differences.
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The guy asked whether or not the supplement worked, and larrabee gave him an answer to his question. It was unfair for you to jump his ass and assume that he regards supplements as a magic bullet, or would suggest supplement use to a client before making sure all else was in place.
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Thanks for backing raymond and I up RPL. You made some great comments about the "fatalities" from taking epherda.
Ephedrine, by all reports, it does work. Is it dangerous? Sure, most things that affect the body are if taken inappropriately, that doesnt by itself make it bad.
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So you feel that promoting a substance that is designed for reduction of cold symptoms is responsible of a fitness professional?????
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Thats just bloody rediculous BFG, what does it having been made for one purpose have against it being used for another? Aspirin is a pain relief medication, that doesnt make doctors irresponsible when they tell people it can help against heart attacks does it?
Supplements can work. Some dont, but some do. The fact that they're in a pill doesnt make them any less effective somehow. Fitness professionals should be aware of this and have some knowledge of them incase clients ask about them. They're not magic pills, but to pretend they do nothing is just stupid.
ECis dangerous in poeple with cardiovascular disease. But it you understand the method of action that MAKES it dangerous you would also realize that this is why it can antagonize metabolism and stop it from slowing down when dieting.
Do I think people need it? No.
Do I think people with should use it with care? Yes, as under the right physiological conditions it can cause problems.
I also think BFG is blowing the dangers of it to otherwise healthy individuals way out of porportion and the research IMHO doesnt support that strong of a view.
Bottom Line: Almost everything that you do to push your body out of homeostasis will have side effects. You want to speed up your metabolism by antagonzing receptors with EC then you are going to get side effects.
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ECis dangerous in poeple with cardiovascular disease. But it you understand the method of action that MAKES it dangerous you would also realize that this is why it can antagonize metabolism and stop it from slowing down when dieting.
Do I think people need it? No.
Do I think people with should use it with care? Yes, as under the right physiological conditions it can cause problems.
I also think BFG is blowing the dangers of it to otherwise healthy individuals way out of porportion and the research IMHO doesnt support that strong of a view.
Bottom Line: Almost everything that you do to push your body out of homeostasis will have side effects. You want to speed up your metabolism by antagonzing receptors with EC then you are going to get side effects.
yeh Great post guys and I agree you need to know about the issues, the same as you would need to know about steroids and what affects they can have.
Im not wishing to stir this one up even more, but he didnt ask about it, the information was volunteered. If he had asked about it there could have been balanced responses with pro's and cons.
Do you really think all those that took Eph and now have health problems or even died were aware of an underlying problem? some may have been. But others may have been undiagnosed previously, had an underlying medical condition or even a genetic predisposition that the individual was blissfuly unaware of.
"healthy" individuals die as a result of using supps like eph and creatine. take the deaths of the recent football stars et al that have been attributed to creatine. Cases like this are continuing to stack up yet people continue to say "its ok for healthy individuals" and "its just scaremongering and blowing out of proportion".
You may consider that to be the case and that is your opinion based on the facts.
But I think it is important when discussing things like this that people are armed with the information so they may make their decision.
As mentioned before it was wrong of me to turn that on larrabee like that and for that I appologise again.
I shouldnt criticise the individual its the industry that promotes and launches such items without a care for the long term impact on health of the individuals that gets my anger. They dont even give adequate information as to the potential dangers of using the substances.
I will be glad when the new rulings come out later this year, hopefuly, which means that they can not make unsubstantiated claims without conclusive proof and they must detail all sides as with medication.
Argggh knew I should start keeping links, it was with refernce to collegiate rising stars and creatine was cited as a potential element thatw as a contributory factor in the death due to an underlieing undiagnosed condition.
I think this article presenting the benefits and risks is simply the best one I have read:
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