Stans No Tubes

Glide · 05-26-2005, 12:20 PM

I am about to install Stan's No Tubes:

http://www.notubes.com

I've heard it's a little tricky to install, but once you get it in - it's golden. My only "trick" I've been told so far is to use an air compressor the first time you inflate, so the seals close quickly.

Anyone else ever use this stuff? Any advice? Ideas?

Thanks.

ODB · 05-26-2005, 12:58 PM

I've seen that advertised but I'm pretty skeptical about that kind of stuff. I suppose you could use co2 to inflate. I don't know anyone who has used it but I'll check around.

Glide · 05-26-2005, 02:31 PM

From what I've heard it's great - same people that have had horrible times with the slime tubes (weight / ineffectiveness) - have sworn by stans.

During this year's Ozark Challenge we got a total of 6 flats during the race. One team had 9 flats. The team that I talked to that used stans - 0 flats.

It gets great reviews on mtbr.com:

Review Here

I had one friend tell me that he has installed it using a floor pump - but that an air compressor is much better.

We are doing another race next weekend - and for some reason I have had tons of flats this year. We'll see.

ODB · 05-26-2005, 02:36 PM

The only response I've gotten is to a site that obviously was designed because someond had a bad time with them.

It's Yes Tubes

I'll let you know if I hear anything else.

ODB · 05-26-2005, 02:56 PM

Looking at the reviews it seems okay if you have the right bike set up to begin with and could be a monster of a mess if you do get a flat.

Most races that I do are 8 - 24 hours and a 10 minute tire change doesn't make a huge difference. I have had one flat in a bike race (Ouachita Challenge) and only two during all the adventure races I've done. They are aggrevating but in the end don't matter that much.

bmph8ter · 05-27-2005, 01:41 AM

Messy. Yuck. Why not just suck up the extra grams and use UST tires and a UST wheelset?

ODB · 05-31-2005, 10:58 AM

Hey Glide - here is a thread off bikeforums.net:

Bike Forums (http://www.bikeforums.net/index.php)
- Mountain Biking (http://www.bikeforums.net/forumdisplay.php?f=26)
- - Bye Bye Slime Hello Stan's (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=110539)

CranxOC 05-30-05 10:53 PM

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Bye Bye Slime Hello Stan's

After almost three years of loyal "Slime" use in both my tubes and tubless tires, I've now flushed the stuff out of my tubless tires in favor of "Stan's" goop. In the years since having Slime in my tires I only had one flat and that was caused by ramming my front tire into a dirt wall thus ripping a 1/4 inch hole in the sidewall; not somehting any sealant is going to fix.

For some reason however, I got a small puncture in one of my tires and the slime just kepts seaping out while allowing my tire to slow leak even though there should have been an adequate amount of Slime in the tire to seal such a small puncture. I figured that, perhaps, the Slime had dried up too quickly as a result of the puncture (I found that Slime does dry up over time) so I went to purchase another bottle.

Since they didn't have any tubless slime, I opted to give Stan's stuff a try and I'm glad I did. The stuff sealed the puncture immediately and, after putting more than 50 miles on that same tire, I haven't had a single problem.

Just to add to the story, I was working on a buddies wheel (rebuilding the hub) and noticed that his tire had gone flat pretty quickly. I knew he had Slime in there so I pumped it up, rotated it and hoped for the best. No such luck though, the Slime missed the two punctures he had in the tire and let it go flat. Once again, I substituted Stan's for Slime and, voila!, no more puncture.

If you're looking for a good tire sealant, go for Stan's; it's less expensive (one bottle will fill four 2.1 tires vs. two tires for a similarly priced bottle of Slime) and it works exactly as promised!

Dirtbike 05-30-05 10:55 PM

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I've never liked slime at all. Maybe if I actually get a puncture flat, Ill try this stuff out.
:beer:

Funkychicken 05-30-05 10:58 PM

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great plug. now for a before/after pic.

Before Stan's:

After Stan's:

unsuspended 05-31-05 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by CranxOC

Since they didn't have any tubless slime

Yes they do.

http://www.slime.com/tiresealant/lowspeedsealant.php

You can pick it up at your local auto parts dealer probably.

I wouldn't think slime made for innertubes is going to work that great on tubeless tires.

Oh, I have heard great things about Stans also. If Slime every fails me I would definately give it a go.

CranxOC 05-31-05 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by unsuspendedYes they do.

http://www.slime.com/tiresealant/lowspeedsealant.php

You can pick it up at your local auto parts dealer probably.

I wouldn't think slime made for innertubes is going to work that great on tubeless tires.

Oh, I have heard great things about Stans also. If Slime every fails me I would definately give it a go.

If you would have read the post, you would notice that I said that I've used tubless slime for years. In the particular reference regarding not having the Slime, I was referring to my LBS not having any on hand.

Exactly how do you think I substituted Stan's for Slime in tubless tires if I wasn't already using Slime in them, hmmmm? Please read before you post.

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Glide · 05-31-2005, 11:51 AM

Thanks, I installed the Stans yesterday - it was pretty painless - and not messy at all. Tonight is the big test - I am going to ride over to allsop and bump around on the roots and rocks and see it I did everything right.

As far as regular UST - I was looking for something to stop thorn flats as well - during the Ozark Challenge, we rode through many thorns and it caused a bunch of flats.

I am doing a sprint adventure race this weekend, then the Trail of Tears 100 miler two weeks later. I have had some bad luck with flats this year and just looking for anything to give me a little break.

I know the 10 minutes to change a flat isn't a big deal - but during the Ozark - we had 6 (so an hour) - and it starts to wear on you - we were out of CO2 - just down to pumps - and 24 hours into a race - pumping on a travel pump gets old quick. Plus, we were out of tubes - and down to patches. I am interested in how good this stuff is. I will report back if anyone cares.

Thanks for your help on this - I really do appreciate it.

ODB took this info to other sites and actually researched it - many props to a really good topic moderator.

ODB · 05-31-2005, 11:58 AM

That's a Phish quote in your sig line isn't it? We've got to get together sometime. I don't know if you read my race report from last years Trail of Tears 100 on the www.goplayoutside.com site. If not go check it out for a little insight into the race. I wish I was doing it this year but I'm not ready for it this time. Last year I was in a 6 month unemployment period and had a chance to ride everyday preparing for it.

Are you doing the Ozark Extreme Race? I might see you there although I won't be a participant.

I want to know how the Stan's works for you. so keep us informed.

Joe

silly · 05-31-2005, 09:15 PM

I'm curious about this because I'm skeptical. I hope it works out for you, but what happens when you flat in a race and you gotta deal with goop, goopy tire, etc? What about the physical tire? What I mean is, wouldn't it now be worthless if you decide you don't like them?

On the flats...What kind of tire are you using? How old is it, and what p.s.i are you inflating to? Also, during the race, is it possible that the inflation was off or someone didn't check the tire and rim well enough?

My suggestion: Get a frame pump like the Roadmorph with a gauge, so you know in the field what inflation you're running, and check into some stronger tires/tubes.

Sarah
Resident Tire Expert
Seriously

silly · 05-31-2005, 09:59 PM

I wanted to add that the manufacturers have already given answers to the above questions, but manufacturers aren't always honest or accurate...

Glide · 05-31-2005, 10:47 PM

During the race, we picked thorns out of our tires. Many teams had multiple flats all due to the thorns - the winning teams all had stans.

It's really not as goopy and messy as it may sound. It's not like the "slime" stuff you may have seen - it's really like putting about 3 tablespoons of watery elmer's glue in your tire - it gets sloshed all around - but isn't all goopy or anything.

If I get a flat on the trail (sidewall tear or something) - I am going to carry a tube with me. The way stans works is you use a rubber rim strip that has a valve stem on it. Then you use soapy water and seal your tire on the rim - you practice before adding the stans liquid - so with just the rimstrip and soapy water the tire will seal on the rim. Then you add the stans to coat everything and seal it up good - and it's there if you run over thorns, etc. Worst case scenario - I pull off the rimstrip - put a tube in and I'm back to tubes.

I am riding Mavic 223 wheels with continental explorers - 6 months old. I usually ride at about 40psi. I've got a good pump - all the flats were due to thorns - it was a rough course.

I am in no way swearing by the stans - I haven't put it to any kind of test yet. I only know that it isn't a goopy slimy mess that people may think it is. I'll let you all know how it does this weekend. Thanks for the feedback.

Kaiser · 05-31-2005, 11:22 PM

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Originally posted by silly:
Sarah
Resident Tire Expert
Seriously

Ok, so you heard my bitchin' on the trail about my Hutchinson Pythons - run through some mud and they get gummed up and totally useless. I ride a XC bike, but there has to be something not fully knobby that has to be better than these.....

Kaiser
Sick of My Pythons
Really

bmph8ter · 06-01-2005, 01:21 AM

40 pounds? Geeze I don't know how you guys get any traction out on the trails. I run my Pythons at 29. Kaiser, my mechanics have been saying great things about the Hutchinson Spiders. A little more open than the Pythons we all love to hate, but not so much to be slow or bumpy.