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Old 10-21-2009, 11:15 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Wow, what the fuc. This woman got FUCKED. Breast implants ruputred, torn anus and vagina, needed reconstructive surgery for her genitals, and the Republicans rebut with the following:


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Old 10-21-2009, 11:25 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Jeff Sessions is insane and knows better. The government requires contractors to provide standard wage amounts and conditions of employment in contracts to perform government work. This is something that could easily be done. The Senators who voted nay were wrong on the optics if nothing else.
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Old 10-22-2009, 01:21 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Apparently the DOD opposed Franken's amendment too. Wonder if the revolving door and truckloads of cash play any part in this...

http://www.republicansforrape.org/legislators/
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Old 10-22-2009, 02:21 AM   #4 (permalink)
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The conservative movement isn't evil. This is just liberal bias at work.
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Old 10-22-2009, 10:19 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Don't have a link, the WH has some difficulty with this as written, and is working on it. Their words were, "To make it enforceable".
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Rape is a horrible thing. Those who committed the rape should be tried in a criminal justice system and sent to prison.

My question is why should their company be held financially liable? What did the company do wrong that encouraged the rape? Should a persons employer be held liable for any actions of the employees?
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Old 10-22-2009, 03:21 PM   #7 (permalink)
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My question is why should their company be held financially liable? What did the company do wrong that encouraged the rape? Should a persons employer be held liable for any actions of the employees?
Employers have a long-standing legal precedent holding them liable for negligent behavior that causes harm.

Corporations are not immune from the consequences of their (in)actions, and for very good reason.
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Apparently the DOD opposed Franken's amendment too. Wonder if the revolving door and truckloads of cash play any part in this...

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I thought that money went to bribe local leaders in Iraq. I was under the impression it was one of the few anti-insurgency measures that actually worked.
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Corporations are not immune from the consequences of their (in)actions, and for very good reason.
The only articles I read were all very sensationalistic ("Republicans for rape OMG!"). What exactly did the employer do that was negligent?
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Employer imprisoned the person raped, and otherwise conspired to keep it from the attention of proper authorities IIRC. I imagine you can go to WIKI and get a time line. The problem at bottom is that no one has jurisdiction for these contractors. They are neither under US nor Iraqi legal jurisdiction, or at least there are too many ambiguities for the laws to function.
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I thought that money went to bribe local leaders in Iraq. I was under the impression it was one of the few anti-insurgency measures that actually worked.
What I'm saying is that private contractors working for the government have become a great big pit where taxpayer dollars get thrown never to be seen again.

In return for these gifts from the public trough these corporations return about 1/2 of one cent on the dollar as campaign contributions, which is more than enough to keep buy our government.

That's why these politicians are voting to protect them.
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Rape is a horrible thing. Those who committed the rape should be tried in a criminal justice system and sent to prison.

My question is why should their company be held financially liable? What did the company do wrong that encouraged the rape? Should a persons employer be held liable for any actions of the employees?
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The only articles I read were all very sensationalistic ("Republicans for rape OMG!"). What exactly did the employer do that was negligent?
The victim reported sexual harassment twice to her employer before the rape. Following the rape, she was locked in a shipping container for a day, under the supervision of an armed guard, preventing her from reporting the rape.

When she tried to have her day in court, she was prevented from doing so, because her employment contract required binding arbitration in circumstances of sexual assault During the four years that she has fought for the right to sue, many other women have come forward who were also sexually assaulted, and submitted to the binding arbitration process. A condition of the arbitration was that they were not allowed to talk about their assault. As such, although the company was aware that these incidents were happening, the victim had no such warning.

This is clearly negligence on the part of the employer.

As Jon Stewart rightly points out in his own comedic way, it's interesting to see how everyone can line up behind the idea that Acorn should not receive government contracts because of the actions of their corrupt employees, but can't come to the same agreement for Halliburton when the implications of their actions were much more significant.

Here's a ten minute video of Al Franken interviewing the victim and an arbitration attorney about the incident and what has happened since. I recommend you watch it.
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caveat: I have not heard of this case or followed the particulars until now. But this jumped out at me.
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She signed an employment contract (and presumeably read it before signing) that required binding arbitration in cases of sexual assault? And it didn't raise any flags before signing the contract?
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The problem here isn't the contract (that would only be binding in civil matters). The problem is the lack of any criminal law coverage for these contractors. If they are going to draft a bill they need to put in it that contractors, regardless of where they are working, are at minimum bound by US law (pick a state or use the District of Columbia). Rape, assault (men vs. men, men vs. women, etc...), theft, etc... would then all be covered in one swoop.

Just from reading the story I see false imprisonment, kidnapping, accessory after the fact, etc... Someone has to have criminal jurisdiction over the area where these people are working.
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Jurisdiction would dig into Cheney's profits for the year.
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The amendment passed, right?
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^^Might get stripped out in the final bill, unfortunately. Thanks to a democratic senator from Hawaii who has multiple ties to defense contractors.
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So it's good for one more thread then.
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