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Old 10-12-2009, 02:30 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Energy crisis is postponed as new gas rescues the world

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Old 10-12-2009, 03:58 PM   #2 (permalink)
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That's fantastic, especially since we know that extracting such resources never has a negative impact on the environment, local population, or global politics.

Progressing to cleaner energy is for liberal wimps.
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screw the polar bears, use more oil!
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screw the polar bears, use more oil!
Thoughtful post .

Personally, I find it quite exciting.
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Excited because you are on the board of directors for BP or because of ideological dislike for clean water and air?
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um.... did I need a big SARCASM sign?
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Excited because you are on the board of directors for BP or because of ideological dislike for clean water and air?
Take your pick. Like with ethanol something gets dirty. When will we really push for nucular?
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It would be nice to go toward a clean nuclear fuel.
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It would be nice to go toward a clean nuclear fuel.
Until there is a better and massive educational policy overhaul to the general public on the benefits and relative safety of Nuclear fuel we will never see it happen. Way too much misinformation and down right ignorance exists in America about the benefits of Nuclear energy at this point.
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We are still paying off bonds from 5 failed plants which also resulted in the biggest bond failure up until the time it happened. Three problems. NOT insurmountable.

Standard plan, build them quicker

Better physics and a more fool proof failure mode

Politically and scientifically acceptable storage of waste. My vote: every state stores its own in above ground concrete bunkers
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Here's the thing about waste: we've made technological progress since the 1960s, and modern generation reactors don't even put out that much net waste.

Then you get neat little things like the Hyperion reactor, which could move us away from the Big Nucular Plant model.

But to our beloved population (and this extends beyond the US), "nuclear" connotes with cancer, erased cities, and giant ants.
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lol educational policy overhaul
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Business needs to do more to promote less oil use. This is a start.
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But to our beloved population (and this extends beyond the US), "nuclear" connotes with cancer, erased cities, and giant ants.
'Bout time. Now I can play Fallout 3 for real in my backyard! I have lots of practice at that game and will surely survive in the imminent wasteland.
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I live close enough to three mile island that I can see giant ants from my back porch!
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Nuclear is the best way we currently have for 'clean' energy. Great article on all the waste that gets generated here.

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'White House Buries Yucca," read the headlines last week after Secretary of Energy Steven Chu said the proposed storage of nuclear waste in a Nevada mountain is "no longer an option."

Instead, Mr. Chu told a Senate hearing, the Obama administration will cut all but the most rudimentary funding to Yucca and be content to allow spent fuel rods to sit in storage pools and dry casks at reactor sites "while the administration devises a new strategy toward nuclear waste disposal."

Nevada Sen. Harry Reid, a longtime opponent of the repository, was overjoyed. Environmental groups were equally gratified, since they have long seen Yucca Mountain as a choke point for asphyxiating nuclear energy. Greenpeace immediately called for an end to new construction of nuclear power plants, and for all existing reactors to be closed down.

So is this really the death knell for nuclear power? Not at all. The repository at Yucca Mountain was only made necessary by our failure to understand a fundamental fact about nuclear power: There is no such thing as nuclear waste.

A nuclear fuel rod is made up of two types of uranium: U-235, the fissionable isotope whose breakdown provides the energy; and U-238, which does not fission and serves basically as packing material. Uranium-235 makes up only 0.7% of the natural ore. In order to reach "reactor grade," it must be "enriched" up to 3% -- an extremely difficult industrial process. (To become bomb material, it must be enriched to 90%, another ballgame altogether.)

After being loaded in a nuclear reactor, the fuel rods sit for five years before being removed. At this point, about 12 ounces of U-235 will have been completely transformed into energy. But that's enough to power San Francisco for five years. There are no chemical transformations in the process and no carbon-dioxide emissions.

When they emerge, the fuel rods are intensely radioactive -- about twice the exposure you would get standing at ground zero at Hiroshima after the bomb went off. But because the amount of material is so small -- it would fit comfortably in a tractor-trailer -- it can be handled remotely through well established industrial processes. The spent rods are first submerged in storage pools, where a few yards of water block the radioactivity. After a few years, they can be moved to lead-lined casks about the size of a gazebo, where they can sit for the better part of a century until the next step is decided.

So is this material "waste"? Absolutely not. Ninety-five percent of a spent fuel rod is plain old U-238, the nonfissionable variety that exists in granite tabletops, stone buildings and the coal burned in coal plants to generate electricity. Uranium-238 is 1% of the earth's crust. It could be put right back in the ground where it came from.

Of the remaining 5% of a rod, one-fifth is fissionable U-235 -- which can be recycled as fuel. Another one-fifth is plutonium, also recyclable as fuel. Much of the remaining three-fifths has important uses as medical and industrial isotopes. Forty percent of all medical diagnostic procedures in this country now involve some form of radioactive isotope, and nuclear medicine is a $4 billion business. Unfortunately, we must import all our tracer material from Canada, because all of our isotopes have been headed for Yucca Mountain.

What remains after all this material has been extracted from spent fuel rods are some isotopes for which no important uses have yet been found, but which can be stored for future retrieval. France, which completely reprocesses its recyclable material, stores all the unused remains -- from 30 years of generating 75% of its electricity from nuclear energy -- beneath the floor of a single room at La Hague.

The supposed problem of "nuclear waste" is entirely the result of a the decision in 1976 by President Gerald Ford to suspend reprocessing, which President Jimmy Carter made permanent in 1977. The fear was that agents of foreign powers or terrorists groups would steal plutonium from American plants to manufacture bombs.

That fear has proved to be misguided. If foreign powers want a bomb, they will build their own reactors or enrichment facilities, as North Korea and Iran have done. The task of extracting plutonium from highly radioactive material and fashioning it into a bomb is far beyond the capacities of any terrorist organization.

So shed no tears for Yucca Mountain. Instead of ending the nuclear revival, it gives us the chance to correct a historical mistake and follow France's lead in developing complete reprocessing for nuclear material.
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What??? The administration not listening to science???
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What??? The administration not listening to science???
The article didn't have the catch words "hope" or "change" involved OG so it didn't meet the muster.
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Technically, if he undoes the processing restrictions, he will be listening to science.

Just burying the shit out in the backyard has never been a smart solution.
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Technically, if he undoes the processing restrictions, he will be listening to science.

Just burying the shit out in the backyard has never been a smart solution.
Come on PMDL a third arm for you would be a break through! Think how much faster you could respond to posts!.
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Just you wait until they make a way to plug the Internet straight into your head.
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EastCoasts article is just another example how Nuclear simply has gotten a completely idiotic "boogey man" mentality by the general public. People still think something like Chernobyl could actually happen at one of our reactors which simply isn't the case. Its sad really that such a better more efficient power source is out there that is making technological leaps and bounds yearly and yet we are so reticent to utilize its capabilities because anything attached to the word Nuclear people automatically think Cold War and mushroom clouds.

Couple that misinformation and fear with big energy companies lack of enthusiasm to jump into the Nuclear market and you have exactly what you put into Nuclear power in this country which is just about nothing.
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Back when Yucca was chosen it was obviously a case of political bullying. What state lacks the clout to stop us? Washington was high on the list for the ultimate repository. Not a good way to determine all this. To slightly revise a previous post: the states that use the electricity, nor merely produce it, need to be responsible for the resulting need for storage. If no one is willing, don't build the plants.
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