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Old 08-14-2008, 10:22 AM   #241 (permalink)
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I use the Daily Plate and I got the gold membership. I think it's $60 a year and it's totally worth it to me because it runs faster and you can separate foods out by meal you ate them. I have used fit day and Spark people, but I love TDP. I'd recommend it to anyone.
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I would look into something like power training where you can choose from a group of exercises that meet your needs for that particular workout. It's so customizable that you can change it depending on whether you can workout at home or at the gym.

It sounds like you've got some good equipment, so it shouldn't be too hard to find a program that you can work into your life.
I think you just sold me on power training as my next program after OPT. Customizeable and at home are key components for me right now.

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Great article! And, it's something I am learning again and again.
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I'm finishing up stage 6, but only been doing it 2/week and no HIIT - MUCH easier to stick to my deficit when I use Leigh's principles and just consider NROLW my specific lifting program. I'm going to start Power Training in a week or 2... still sticking to Leigh's FLTS basic principles.
Was there a certain stage in NROLW that really kicked in your appetite? I'm only in the break in period, so the increased appetite isn't too bad yet but I was just wondering what to expect in the later stages.

Love how you were able to modify your program and get results. Saw your new low weight this morning, congrats!
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Was there a certain stage in NROLW that really kicked in your appetite? I'm only in the break in period, so the increased appetite isn't too bad yet but I was just wondering what to expect in the later stages.

Love how you were able to modify your program and get results. Saw your new low weight this morning, congrats!
Hey CeeBee - honestly, to start out when I read NROLW I thought "AWESOME! I get to eat!" and I did . But pretty quickly, my appetite caught right up with the increased calories (I went to 1700 or 1800 I think, at the start, on lift days). Then I was even hungrier, so I would eat even more than that when I lifted... It probably kicked in by the end of stage 1 or start of stage 2 - but I was also doing lots of HIIT (getting my HR to 95%!) which didn't help. I tried cutting back to 1500/1700, but was SOOO hungry after a lift that I'd blow through even 1700 and overeat.

AND I was so tired from the kick-butt workouts that my NEAT decreased even more than my already natural-state of couch-tater-ness. I have to make a conscious effort to be more active... the workouts decreased what little movement I did have, and I figured it was ok because of all the theoretical effect of EPOC. Yeah. NOT a good outcome on the scale .

Then I saw how much Leigh helped some others and bought her e-books, and now I'm doing much better, although continuing to tweak as I go .
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Old 08-14-2008, 01:37 PM   #245 (permalink)
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I am wondering if diet soda hinders weightloss? Has anyone heard Leigh comment on this? I know they are unhealthy and Im trying to quit them, it's my last vice. Has any of you quit them and seen a change in your body, weightloss or just feeling better?
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Wow, you have all but convinced me I need to get Leigh's stuff. Not necessarily trying to eat at a deficit yet but might in the near future.
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I am wondering if diet soda hinders weightloss? Has anyone heard Leigh comment on this? I know they are unhealthy and Im trying to quit them, it's my last vice. Has any of you quit them and seen a change in your body, weightloss or just feeling better?
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Bev, last fall when I started this fitness journey I was drinking about 6 diet cokes/day . I'm down to one/day at home now. Plus if we go out, I usually have one (I don't drink alcohol). I don't know if it's made a difference in my weightloss but mentally, I feel better not drinking all that artificial stuff. I'll be anxious to hear what others have to say on this topic.
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Wow, you have all but convinced me I need to get Leigh's stuff. Not necessarily trying to eat at a deficit yet but might in the near future.
Ditto.

Does Leigh offer any advice on bulking?
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Ditto.

Does Leigh offer any advice on bulking?
Chloe, she has a podcast (Make My Body Hot-Figure) on iTunes that I'm re-listening to right now. Search for "Fat LOss Troubleshooter Speaks" in the Health and Nutrition section of the podcasts. She addresses the need to eat, but there's no guideline other than diving into eating. Then she moves on into exercise types and then cutting later.

Here's an article by a different writer. I don't know how well her theory intersects with Leigh though http:/www.figureathlete.com/free_onl...ets_get_jacked

If anyone has any suggestions/tips for bulking, I could use the advice.

Vickie and Chloe, The Fat Loss Troubleshoot is great. I feel empowered now to bulk! Before, I was afraid of the fat gain and losing the weight later. The way she lays out fat loss makes so much sense that I'm not (as) afraid anymore. Right now, I'm more concerned about screwing up the bulk and going overboard with the surplus and gaining too much fat in relation to the muscle.

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Hi Bev, I'm Christine and I'm a diet coke alcoholic. I will go cold turkey for months at a time, but then I'll allow one day....now I'm probably at six a day. Not good.
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I am wondering if diet soda hinders weightloss? Has anyone heard Leigh comment on this? I know they are unhealthy and Im trying to quit them, it's my last vice. Has any of you quit them and seen a change in your body, weightloss or just feeling better?
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There are some studies that suggest artificial sweeteners can make you want to eat more (ie. they mimic some of the qualities of sugared drinks). I don't know if I buy into that or not, however, since I cut most of my intake to plain water at the same time I increased my protein levels. So is a reduced hunger from one or the other? I do notice now that on the occasional day when I have say two cans of diet soft drinks (we still have cases of it so I will eventually drink it up) that I retain water the next day. Noticeable retention too. Although I know there is probably sodium in them I'm not someone who eats low-sodium items as a rule so I doubt a little extra should make that big a difference. (ie. tonight I'll have tostidos with my chili and it's definitely saltier than my usual fare, but it won't affect me)
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Hey Ceebee, you need to check out Karla's log - kfisherx. She is in the cutting process right now, but she did a bulk. I'm sure she could help you a lot.
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What do you all use to log food? I have used FitDay and SparkPeople in the past, but have been hearing good things about The Daily Plate. What's your favorite? Seems like FitDay has added a lot of new features since I last visited. I have never used The Daily Plate.
I use SparkPeople to gather up all of the info, but then I copy all of that info (cals and macros, etc.) into an Excel sheet that I put together.
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Wow, you have all but convinced me I need to get Leigh's stuff. Not necessarily trying to eat at a deficit yet but might in the near future.
I just like the way that she explains things. I am understanding what I'm doing and why I'm doing now, and I've never done that before--I just did (or didn't do) what I was told. I think that the understanding is the key to making it work for you and for making your hard efforts last instead of bouncing back like many of us have done in the past.
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Bev, last fall when I started this fitness journey I was drinking about 6 diet cokes/day . I'm down to one/day at home now. Plus if we go out, I usually have one (I don't drink alcohol). I don't know if it's made a difference in my weightloss but mentally, I feel better not drinking all that artificial stuff. I'll be anxious to hear what others have to say on this topic.

I personally do not drink anything but water. I'm working too hard and weighing everything, etc., and I don't want to use up any unnecessary calories on liquids. I try to be careful of my sodium intake, too, and the soft drinks (for me, at least) don't help that.
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Do any of you gals find you want to eat when you're bored? I've only just noticed this, and I'm not sure if it's a new development or a new realization, but overcoming it sucks! I'm trying to drink tea and chew sugarless gum, but nothing seems to work? For those of you who have over come it, does it get easier? This is seriously stressing my will power and it's making me nuts. Even little distractions don't seem to be enough. Any tips or tricks to help?
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I eat when I'm bored - especially when traveling / being stuck in a car for hours on end... The best thing I can tell you is to DO something so you're not bored! I know - not much help... That and just being aware of it. Sometimes realizing why you're eating and that you're not REALLY hungry can be enough to help you not eat.

Last resort - find stuff like light popcorn that takes a long time to finish if you eat one bite at a time so you don't do TOO much damage!
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Hey Ceebee, you need to check out Karla's log - kfisherx. She is in the cutting process right now, but she did a bulk. I'm sure she could help you a lot.
Hey Jesca, thanks for pointing me in the right direction!

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Do any of you gals find you want to eat when you're bored? I've only just noticed this, and I'm not sure if it's a new development or a new realization, but overcoming it sucks! I'm trying to drink tea and chew sugarless gum, but nothing seems to work? For those of you who have over come it, does it get easier? This is seriously stressing my will power and it's making me nuts. Even little distractions don't seem to be enough. Any tips or tricks to help?
Ever have one of those jam packed days when you forgot to eat? Keeping busy really helps me. A lot of my bored eating amounts to stalling and procrastinating from some task. If you find yourself slipping into mindless eating, jump back to your to do list, or work on a project and just stay out of the kitchen and away from the food. When you feel like that, sometimes it's better not to take that first bite. It does get easier as you learn to self monitor yourself over time.
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I am wondering if diet soda hinders weightloss? Has anyone heard Leigh comment on this? I know they are unhealthy and Im trying to quit them, it's my last vice. Has any of you quit them and seen a change in your body, weightloss or just feeling better?
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from everything i've read, the jury is still out on diet soda and drinks like crystal light. i've never been a huge soda drinker, but i like a diet dr. pepper as a rare treat. i don't know how it affects my diet, but i often feel a bit bloated and uncomfortable.
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x2! i really like the custom meal option. it makes it easy to input a recipe and portion it out. or i'll just create a meal from things i frequently eat together - green tea, true lime & sweet & lo - it saves a few steps when i'm inputting my food for the day.
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Just got caught up on this thread...
I use Dietpower program for pc to log my food. I probably would have chosen fitday or sparkpeople if I had known about them then, but I do like the fact that I don't have to be online to log my foods. I don't think it has as great a variety as those online sites, but once I add something it's there. I like it b/c I can track all my nutrition, water intake, weight, measurements, and exercise all on one program.

As for tips for not eating out of boredom, I love to drink tea w/ a little stevia. Also sometimes I notice when I'm "munchy" but not actually hungry, I'm actually THIRSTY. Weird, but I read an article a while ago about how we have lost our ability to tell hunger from thirst b/c of how often we overeat and how little water we drink. I tend to drink a ton, over a gallon a day, but when I'm busy or out of my normal daily routine, I can start to eat without realizing that I really need a bottle of water...

Well, that's my .02, now I need to get some sleep!
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Do any of you gals find you want to eat when you're bored? I've only just noticed this, and I'm not sure if it's a new development or a new realization, but overcoming it sucks! I'm trying to drink tea and chew sugarless gum, but nothing seems to work? For those of you who have over come it, does it get easier? This is seriously stressing my will power and it's making me nuts. Even little distractions don't seem to be enough. Any tips or tricks to help?
YES! I used to do this all the time. I still catch myself every now and then. To stop, I just really started asking myself if I was actually hungry or bored. If I was bored, was there something else I could do? It was a real struggle and super frustrating when I first started noticing it. It's not too bad anymore.
Keeping a pretty strict eating schedule has really helped too. I know that at 8:30 I'm having breakfast, 10:45 I'm having a snack, just after noon is lunch, and so on.
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Something that has helped with my boredom eating is chewing crushed ice. I let it dissolve in water so it doesnt destroy my teeth,and I just suck and chew all day. Refereshing!

I do find though at night my hunger monster comes out. I think this stems from years of feeling depressed out night and emotional eating and midnight bingeing. So I have residual nightime depression that makes me crave something sweet at night. Sometimes I just cave in and have an apple and it really helps, even though it bumps my calories by 100.
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Thanks guys for your replies on diet soda. I keep re-reading them, I know you all are right. I know you can't feel great and be bloated too, defeats the purpose of fitness and a healthy lifestyle. Christine, I am just like you. I had quit for 2 months this spring and allowed myself one on my B-day and now it's summer and I'm at 3-4 per day. Congrats Chloe2 on your progess! I also feel it effects me mentally in the fact that I feel I'm not in control of my body. I think if I can quit it will help me succeed in my fitness. I'm going to add this to my goal and log it every day. Accountability should help a lot!

To add a little info about bulking... Jen Heath who wrote the article someone mentioned above used to be my trainer last year. She helped me repair my metabolism from eating too low calories for too long. I was on 1600-1800 and lifting heavy 3x week. She had me take BCAA's from biotest 3 pills 3x day (9 pills). I think this did wonders. My husband said he was amazed at the muscle I was building, he could see alot of definition even through my high bf level. Also my strength went up about 25% on average. Example I went from 70lb to 105lb on bench press for 8 reps each. It was amazing to me. This was in 3 months or a little under 3. This may have been just my experience bit I thought I'd share it. BTW I had been lifting for a year prior so it wasn't because of being new to it.

For eating on the road I listen to podcasts or audio books. Snacking out here was how I gained the weight. Had to change that or be obese all my life. ( Im a truck driver ) at home I just stay too busy to be bored.
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I do find though at night my hunger monster comes out. I think this stems from years of feeling depressed out night and emotional eating and midnight bingeing. So I have residual nightime depression that makes me crave something sweet at night. Sometimes I just cave in and have an apple and it really helps, even though it bumps my calories by 100.
i try to get some cottage cheese in at night - stays in my tummy for a while and helps me sleep. and it's no big deal to eat at night if you budget the calories for it.
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I have to eat something when I drive distances, and our families live 4ish hrs away, so we're driving distances a couple times a month. I've been making sure that I've got sugarfree gum, cauliflower, and carrots in the car, and that helps.
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Then I saw how much Leigh helped some others and bought her e-books, and now I'm doing much better, although continuing to tweak as I go .
Could you point me in that direction? I've always had trouble staying within my cals on the NROLW plan.
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Here you go, LadyNoir:
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I've got Leigh's books and LOVE them. I feel like I'm finally understanding what I'm doing and why, and it's making it easier for me to stick to my goals or to make intelligent choices/tweaks when and if I need to.
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