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Old 06-15-2009, 11:20 AM   #2461 (permalink)
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Wow, it's been forever since I've been in here (like TWO DAYS, lol!)

Stupid doctor, I agree! Really, I like Aoife's suggestion--you are good at hitting stuff, what's the use if you don't get to do it for real?!

YAAAAAAY on the deadlifts!!! Hooray for you!
Thanks! Yayyy deadlifts...and I am already on my way to proving the doc wrong...what an A-Hole....
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Superset #1
Bosu Ball Step Ups x 20 each leg

Leg Press 90lbs x 50

Bosu Ball Step Ups x 20 each leg

Leg Press 180lbs x 25

Bosu Ball Step Ups x 20 each leg

Leg Press 270lbs x 25

Bosu Ball Step Ups x 20 each leg

Leg Press 360lbs x 25

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Bosu Ball Alternating Push Ups x 20

Hammer Strength Chest Press Machine 90lbs x 15

Bosu Ball Alternating Push Ups x 20

Hammer Strength Chest Press Machine 110lbs x 15

Bosu Ball Alternating Push Ups x 20

Hammer Strength Chest Press Machine 130lbs x 15

15lb DB’s mini squat, curl, press x 25 x 2 sets

15lb Db’s alt mini reverse lunges (I don’t go down all the way) x 20 x 2 sets

Ball Slams x 20 x 2 sets (I LOOOOOVEEEE THESE!)


Dips off bench with knees bent x 20 x 2 sets

Tricep Kickbacks 20lb DB’s x 20 each arm

Push Downs with Back against pad? (different cable push downs…you can’t cheat and you use abs with these…they SUUUUCK!)
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60lbs x 15
70lbs x 15

Crunches on Ball
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10 to right
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Follow up on my doctor rant from a few days ago...something else that's been bothering me about that visit that I didn't mention.

Bail now if you wanna...

So, aside from the fact that I've had these nagging stomach issues for going on 2 years now and they're really not so into REALLY figuring out what it is and I've been frustrated about it for awhile. He says to me...well...there's a whole rigamarole that we could go through, there are a lot of things it could be...and then says it could be pancreas related...and tells me there are two tests he can do, one to see if it's my pancreas and two to see if I have bacteria in my intestines that are causing havoc. But then he says to me at the end of the conversation, most of your problems are due to your weight. Now...I've said this before...but other than my knees...I HAVE NO PROBLEMS.

Soooo...my problem with this is...does that mean that as a doctor, it's ok to just write off your patient's concerns about a specific issue because they're fat? So...I have stomach issues...it must be because I'm fat...so there's nothing else they can do for me...they couldn't POSSIBLY figure out what it is, because it simply must be because I'm fat.

This is one of my many growing issues with the medical industry. Lets simply overgeneralize about everyone and make assumptions...yes that's it, lets do that...because that will work for every patient. And gods forbid we actually treat the person as a whole...lets only look at one system at a time...no...only one body part at a time, as a way of understanding the whole puzzle.

GOD I HATE DOCTORS...(not you Tina...) Just my doctors.

For ONCE I would love for a doctor to say...ok..lets see if we can try and figure out what's going on here...instead of...oh..you're fat...done deal. ASSHOLES!!!

*RAR*

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You should get one like mine. Mine is good. I know I'm lucky… but that's why we went to sports med. It's hard to be too harpy on people about weight when all numbers are good except weight… *shrug*

My mom had issues of various kinds for years that people just didn't want to take the time to figure out… ended up having her gallbladder taken out and it was supposedly actually dead and nearly rotting. But you know, she was fat.
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Maybe it's time to look for a sports med doc...or someone more holistic...these assholes are killing me!

Seriously...about the gallbladder...she probably went to doc after doc and they just didn't do anything about it...until it got REALLY bad. Such is the problem...that sucks!!!

Makes me wanna knock them out, tie them to a knife board and commence a fitness and nutrition game show...every wrong answer results in a knife thrown...and my aim is SHIT.
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OOOOHHHHH!!!!!! I just love my earrings and necklace! I realized when I bought them that I didn't know the scale/size of them and thought I might be disappointed if they were too small. But you did not disappoint. They are the perfect size---big. Love, Love, Love, them. Thanks!
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Kristen:

You may want to look at a functional Medical practioner as well.
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Old 06-15-2009, 08:11 PM   #2468 (permalink)
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Definitely time for a new doctor.
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This is an issue frequently discussed within the Fat Acceptance community--that problems are often written off due to a patient's weight. I think there's a site somewhere that discusses fat-friendly providers. I'll see if I can find it.
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The fat-friendly professionals list:
http://cat-and-dragon.com/stef/fat/ffp.html
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OOOOHHHHH!!!!!! I just love my earrings and necklace! I realized when I bought them that I didn't know the scale/size of them and thought I might be disappointed if they were too small. But you did not disappoint. They are the perfect size---big. Love, Love, Love, them. Thanks!
I am so glad!!! I need to start writing the approx sizes again on the site...it's something I used to do...for some reason I stopped...DUH! I am so happy you love them... Thank you again...

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You may want to look at a functional Medical practioner as well.
Hmmmm interesting...I was just looking it up...I bet there are a few of these in my area......

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Yeah...I tried two G.I. docs so far...both of them (the second one I went to asked me why I was there seeing I had been to the first apparently he knew him) asked me why I don't just get bariatric surgery because apparently then all my "problems" would go away. The second doc was also of the opinion that my fatness was causing my issue. I am still not sold, since my grandmother who is not fat, has similar stomach issues and has all her life...and my mother had them too! So...hey...maybe it's something hereditary that nobody ever bothered figuring out cause my mom was fat too!!!

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Thank you so much for that link...there are several docs that are in my area and are seriously worth looking up!! Especially the OBGYN when we wanna have kids!!!

I guess I never really noticed doctors writing me off about my weight until now. I have used to have a great deal of trust in the people with the white coats, till recently.

Mostly I am frustrated with them also not really understanding fitness and nutrition to the extent that I feel other professionals do. They still seem to stick with the old food pyramid, don't know what I mean when I say macros, don't REALLY understand what I mean by lifting weights and when I tell them I exercise 7+ hours a week, I am sure that the blank stare I get is disbelief. I am constantly confronted by people who either #1 don't believe me or #2 don't think it's possible for me to be doing what I say I am "at my size". And further they don't think that what I am doing will help my weight loss!!! I had one doctor say something to the effect of but you want to take weight off not put it on when I spoke a bit about my weight lifting routines. It's amazing to me that people can be so ignorant. And yet, this is THEIR FIELD! I guess it's the same as any profession, some of them keep up with new information and want to, and some do not. *sigh*

On that note...cardio last night...50 mins...yes 50 mins of my fat ass on an elliptical...cause we fatties can do that ya know!

Bastards...........
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FWIW, docs are NOT taught much (anything?) about that kind of stuff... it was a day or a single lecture about nutrition and real exercise. They know to tell you to move more because it's healthy, to lose weight... but they're pretty much just as likely as the average person to not have a clue about actual workout prescription (volume, reps, intensity, etc) and specific macros - they're not trainers or nutritionists... But that white coat effect is strong and ingrained in many of us.

Maybe it's being married to one that I realize what they really do and don't learn... unless they seek out that knowledge, it's not part of their training.

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Yeah, in general I guess you just expect them to know what the hell they're talking about...lol.

I found tho that even the two different nutritionists I went to see (before I found Alan - THANK THE GODS FOR ALAN) was clueless. I guess at this point a sports nutritionist was in fact what I needed. When I asked my doc awhile back if she could refer me to one she didn't know what I was talking about!
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ugh, i get so frustrated with doctors too. when you find a good one, it's great. But bad or indifferent doctors just piss me off.
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GOD I HATE DOCTORS...(not you Tina...) Just my doctors.

For ONCE I would love for a doctor to say...ok..lets see if we can try and figure out what's going on here...instead of...oh..you're fat...done deal. ASSHOLES!!!

*RAR*

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One suggestion that I have on the question of doctors is to contact your local Bradley teacher. They are "alternative" childbirth people if my local teacher is any indication, they are great resources for practitioners that will listen to patients and work with you.

I got my original Kaiser doctor from them when I was pregnant with my first, and I went through all three pregnancies with her (in fact she was pregnant at the same time with all three) and I stayed with her until she took a leave of absence, but she gave me recommendations for all of the doctors I've used--surgeons, gastro docs, even pediatricians. The one who I use now was her mentor while she was a resident, and she was open to putting me on Armour, and adjusting things according to my research. She's a big Pilates person and uses alternative treatment, but is not a kook. My excellent experience with Kaiser has much to do with getting into this network.

Plus, the Bradley people can work with you on getting ready for pregnancy. They're great and very patient. I had one talk me down when I was about 2 weeks pregnant and had a slightly elevated temp. Convinced it was going to give baby brain damage.

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FWIW, docs are NOT taught much (anything?) about that kind of stuff... it was a day or a single lecture about nutrition and real exercise. They know to tell you to move more because it's healthy, to lose weight... but they're pretty much just as likely as the average person to not have a clue about actual workout prescription (volume, reps, intensity, etc) and specific macros - they're not trainers or nutritionists... But that white coat effect is strong and ingrained in many of us.

Maybe it's being married to one that I realize what they really do and don't learn... unless they seek out that knowledge, it's not part of their training.

... for whatever that's worth.
Worth a lot. Most people just assume doctors are experts in everything. You need to find one who is keeping up with stuff and is engaged, not an old fuddy-duddy who hasn't read new research in years.

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There seems to be an inordinate number of bad ones!!!!

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Kristen,

One suggestion that I have on the question of doctors is to contact your local Bradley teacher. They are "alternative" childbirth people if my local teacher is any indication, they are great resources for practitioners that will listen to patients and work with you.

I got my original Kaiser doctor from them when I was pregnant with my first, and I went through all three pregnancies with her (in fact she was pregnant at the same time with all three) and I stayed with her until she took a leave of absence, but she gave me recommendations for all of the doctors I've used--surgeons, gastro docs, even pediatricians. The one who I use now was her mentor while she was a resident, and she was open to putting me on Armour, and adjusting things according to my research. She's a big Pilates person and uses alternative treatment, but is not a kook. My excellent experience with Kaiser has much to do with getting into this network.

Plus, the Bradley people can work with you on getting ready for pregnancy. They're great and very patient. I had one talk me down when I was about 2 weeks pregnant and had a slightly elevated temp. Convinced it was going to give baby brain damage.

Worth a lot. Most people just assume doctors are experts in everything. You need to find one who is keeping up with stuff and is engaged, not an old fuddy-duddy who hasn't read new research in years.

I think my friend tho is pregnant is using a Bradley doctor...or a doula? Or both? She is very much into natural child birth, I should ask her! It sounds like a good idea tho...I just checked out the site, and they have listings in our area I'm sure!! Also Kaiser?? Is that a type of doctor or an organization? Thanks Elisabeth! It's so true a lot of people just have this blind trust in doctors...it's sad. I am definitely a worrier, so it will be good for me to have someone who REALLY knows what is going on. My friend told me to rent "the business of being born" before I have a child...have you seen it???
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Bosu Ball Step Ups x 20 each leg
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I was allowed rest when I needed it to REALLY catch my breath. I was dragging ass today, it usually doesn't feel like so much...today I was TIRED for some reason. Oh well...suck it up!

First Superset of sorts done three times:


Squat then One Arm Press Squat Rack Bar

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2nd set – bar + 25lbs (65lb)
3rd set – bar + 35lbs (75lb)

Boxing: Pad Training:
1-2, Hard Right x 20
1-2, Right Hook, Right Hook, Step Left Hook x 20

Alternating Bosu Ball Push Ups x 30


Second Set done three times also (I think he was trying to make me throw up today):


Bosu Ball Step Ups x 20 each leg

Seated One Armed Cable Rows
1st set – 60lbs x 20 each arm
2nd set – 70lbs x 20 each arm
3rd set – 80lbs x 20 each arm

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Boxing: Pad Training:
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1-2, Hard Right x 25


Last set done as a single:


25lbs Plate in Hand, Twist Both Sides on Bench then get up x 25

Boxing: Pad Training:
1-2, Right Hook, Right Hook, Step Left Hook x 20
1-2, Hard Right x 20!!! (* last time I burned out on these, I was glad to finish the whole 20!!!)

Ball Crunches
straight x 25
left x 15
right x 15

Good stuff...I'm gonna have to hit the heavy bag more often tho, I know the cardio I do helps me but the only thing that will help my stamina on the pad training is more punching...so...that will be a new goal! More heavy bag!!! Plus...I like hitting stuff...so it won't be a hard goal to achieve...
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I think my friend tho is pregnant is using a Bradley doctor...or a doula? Or both? She is very much into natural child birth, I should ask her! It sounds like a good idea tho...I just checked out the site, and they have listings in our area I'm sure!! Also Kaiser?? Is that a type of doctor or an organization? Thanks Elisabeth! It's so true a lot of people just have this blind trust in doctors...it's sad. I am definitely a worrier, so it will be good for me to have someone who REALLY knows what is going on. My friend told me to rent "the business of being born" before I have a child...have you seen it???
Bradley is a childbirth method, like Lamaze. They teach preparation classes and stress med-free births when possible. I would get in touch with them now, when you're planning...they can steer you to the right people.

Kaiser is the big HMO in California. A lot of people say bad things about them but I've had a good experience, and it's due to having one good doctor to refer me to like-minded colleagues.

Oh-oh on "the business"--better watch out or you'll end up one of those wacky homebirth people. I haven't seen it but I did all of the research during my reproductive gala. My first was born in a hospital, second at birth center, third at home. Oh, yeah, got lots to share on this issue.

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I see...I will definitely look up Bradley. I am so afraid of not being in a hospital...I am not sure which way I will go really...and the aftermath of shots and when they should get them...or not get them worries me too. I'm good at the whole freaking out about everything...that's where the hubby comes in...

I know who to ask now... Tho...there are no plans until after next year's summit...
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People have been having babies for … oh, I donno… ETERNITY. It'll be ok when the time comes… k?

Besides, if Idiocracy has taught us anything, it's that breeding is so easy even the stupidest people can manage to do it successfully.
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Besides, if Idiocracy has taught us anything, it's that breeding is so easy even the stupidest people can manage to do it successfully.
ROFL...ok...now I feel better...
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I think my friend tho is pregnant is using a Bradley doctor...or a doula? Or both? She is very much into natural child birth, I should ask her! It sounds like a good idea tho...I just checked out the site, and they have listings in our area I'm sure!!
I did Bradley with my DS, and used a doula too. With DD, we did a traditional hospital birth with drugs and all that... My OB was pretty receptive to me doing Bradley (which is, as already typed, 100% natural). I made it without any drugs, and recovered SO much better and faster...

We came in with a birth plan and the nurses were a bit put-off by us, but the doula was an amazing intermediary and made it all possible. I only had a hep-lock instead of an IV, so I could be mobile... I spent time in the shower and walking, and the doula snuck me apple juice instead of just ice chips so I'd have energy.

The biggest issue was when my OB was on vacation right before I was due. The asshole OB she had covering for her was a jerk. He told me that when I'd been to as many births as he had, I'd know that I should have the epidural and don't try to do it without drugs. I wish I'd told him that when he'd actually given birth we could talk . Luckily, despite a false alarm, he was gone and my regular doc was back for the birth... although she didn't get there in time and DH and the doula mostly delivered DS with a last-minute assist from the nearest doc in the hallway .

The negatives of Bradly (IMHO) were that they went almost too far, for me, in the "docs are bad" direction. DH was ok, but he got defensive a few times in class... I was not interested in home birth, I wasn't interested in nursing til my child was 5 (it's fine, but you shouldn't feel like you HAVE to), I wasn't afraid of vaccines for my child... and I'm not 100% organic and didn't make all my own homemade baby food. We did decide which medical things to refuse (we didn't let them do the eye drops or the PKU blood test when he was less than 48 hours old, or the circ in the hospital cuz we had a bris at home )... but we took what worked and left the rest in the classroom.

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sweetie, you have no idea how hard birthin those babies were for the thousands of years before men took over with their eipdurals.
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The negatives of Bradly (IMHO) were that they went almost too far, for me, in the "docs are bad" direction. DH was ok, but he got defensive a few times in class... I was not interested in home birth, I wasn't interested in nursing til my child was 5 (it's fine, but you shouldn't feel like you HAVE to), I wasn't afraid of vaccines for my child... and I'm not 100% organic and didn't make all my own homemade baby food. We did decide which medical things to refuse (we didn't let them do the eye drops or the PKU blood test when he was less than 48 hours old, or the circ in the hospital cuz we had a bris at home )... but we took what worked and left the rest in the classroom.

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I agree--they are great because they research so much, but there are definitely wackos in there. It's just like anything else. FWIW, I did have an epidural with the first, and my teacher was very sweet and made me feel better about it. I may have had an unusual experience because she is not one of the dogmatic ones.

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I did Bradley with my DS, and used a doula too. With DD, we did a traditional hospital birth with drugs and all that... My OB was pretty receptive to me doing Bradley (which is, as already typed, 100% natural). I made it without any drugs, and recovered SO much better and faster...

We came in with a birth plan and the nurses were a bit put-off by us, but the doula was an amazing intermediary and made it all possible. I only had a hep-lock instead of an IV, so I could be mobile... I spent time in the shower and walking, and the doula snuck me apple juice instead of just ice chips so I'd have energy.

The biggest issue was when my OB was on vacation right before I was due. The asshole OB she had covering for her was a jerk. He told me that when I'd been to as many births as he had, I'd know that I should have the epidural and don't try to do it without drugs. I wish I'd told him that when he'd actually given birth we could talk . Luckily, despite a false alarm, he was gone and my regular doc was back for the birth... although she didn't get there in time and DH and the doula mostly delivered DS with a last-minute assist from the nearest doc in the hallway .

The negatives of Bradly (IMHO) were that they went almost too far, for me, in the "docs are bad" direction. DH was ok, but he got defensive a few times in class... I was not interested in home birth, I wasn't interested in nursing til my child was 5 (it's fine, but you shouldn't feel like you HAVE to), I wasn't afraid of vaccines for my child... and I'm not 100% organic and didn't make all my own homemade baby food. We did decide which medical things to refuse (we didn't let them do the eye drops or the PKU blood test when he was less than 48 hours old, or the circ in the hospital cuz we had a bris at home )... but we took what worked and left the rest in the classroom.

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I agree--they are great because they research so much, but there are definitely wackos in there. It's just like anything else. FWIW, I did have an epidural with the first, and my teacher was very sweet and made me feel better about it. I may have had an unusual experience because she is not one of the dogmatic ones.

But they do have good doctor resources.

I was hearing some of this from my friend as well...she said they can be a bit much...but to take what you can use from it, and chuck the rest! It's definitely a new direction to go in...and I thank you guys for that!!!

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Cardio, Elliptical 50 mins, level 9, intervals for the first 12, 1 min on 30 secs off.

I had wanted to do the intervals for the first 15 mins, but I was too tired and couldn't hang on. I am exhausted tonight, I think AF will be calling soon...I really dislike her lately.

In other news...I was generally grumpy and pretty bitchy at work today...my co-worker Greg caught most of it...I just coudn't take his passive aggressive bullshit today and I told him so. I felt much better afterwards. It's just that it annoys the SHIT out of me when people try to make THEIR job/project YOUR job/project. I am more than happy when I have the time, to HELP someone out, but I am NOT going to do it FOR you. Little bastard...oh well...he ended up on the other end of me telling him to get the fuck out of my office...hehehehe...he didn't come back again...thank gods. I know...I'm mean...but it's so fun sometimes.
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Just catching up...sorry bout the doctor woes. My FIL recently had some testing with high cholesterol and triglycerides and was put on this crazy ass diet by his genenral doctor. Not sure why he never saw a nutritionist? Anywho - they told him some silly things like don't eat eggs and eat everything fat free. I sorta understand, but all that fat free crap is so full of junk. So I am always skeptical of doctors dishing out nutrition and fitness adivce. Even my own. She is pretty cool and down with a lot of naturopath ideas, but doesn't seem to be on the same page as me when it comes to fitness.

I also appreciate reading what everyone wrote about birthing. I think you and I are in the same boat timeline wise about teh behbes.
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Wow, lots of great conversation (and great workouts) in here! As for the baby stuff, you are so educated and well-informed, I trust that when the time comes, you can take the good (common sense) stuff, and weed out the junk on both ends.
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