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Old 06-03-2009, 07:48 AM   #2371 (permalink)
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Just catching up....even when not rick rolled just talking about it gets the song in my head, so that is just as bad.

Also kewl that you have Alan and are getting things figured out.
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You managed to ric roll me twice tonight before I wised up. Shoes yeah right. Can't remember which log I clicked on that one in.

Can you believe I'd never heard of that before tonight? My hubby was laughing at me.

Oh and thanks for answering my questions. Interesting to hear your side of it. Classic example of how calories in/out means more than just food and activity. It must have been interesting sorting it all out. Alan seems like an awesome one to have at your side in situations like this.
Yah...I myself was Rick rolled TWICE via email...by Alan...dammit...the second time I didn't read fast enough to get how to turn it off!

It's not problem...I figured answer in here cause you never know who's reading, and if it makes one other person feel better cause it's not just them who has some of the same issues and is banging their head against the wall...maybe they'd feel better? I know I did when I finally figured out it was not just me!!! LOL. I am lucky to have found Alan...and all of the people on this board!!!

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I know right...every time I see my own link I hear that stupid song! Oh well...brought it on myself!!! Thanks about Alan...it was the best thing I did!!!
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Old 06-03-2009, 10:21 AM   #2373 (permalink)
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Kristen thanks for sharing the long story about how you and Alan have worked through stuff. Very interesting and inspirational too.

And DAMN you for that link in Bytsi's log.
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I'm just going through my list, figuring out who I should Rick Roll...ooooh my teenagers!
I've never seen that either, so don't feel bad Diana. : )




Hey, just wondering about the thyroid issue--have you done anything about the Armour Thyroid? Dumped your endocrinologist? At least rickrolled her? ; )
Does Alan have an opinion on the Armour?

Just wondering. It made such a big difference in me.
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Kristen thanks for sharing the long story about how you and Alan have worked through stuff. Very interesting and inspirational too.

And DAMN you for that link in Bytsi's log.
Thank you Karla...sometimes I feel silly posting lots of info, but in this case...it was ok I thought...I don't like to harp on my thyroid stuff...or whine too much about it...or use it as an excuse...It is what it is ya know? You just have to go around it! It took me awhile to learn that...thanks to Alan I am sure I can get to where I want...thyroid or not. It just takes me a bit longer sometimes.

Heh...sorry about the roll...it was too good not to post...lolz!!!

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I'm just going through my list, figuring out who I should Rick Roll...ooooh my teenagers!
I've never seen that either, so don't feel bad Diana. : )

Hey, just wondering about the thyroid issue--have you done anything about the Armour Thyroid? Dumped your endocrinologist? At least rickrolled her? ; )
Does Alan have an opinion on the Armour?

Just wondering. It made such a big difference in me.
It was a good one...I had to post it...I have only been rick-rolled a handful of times on here by a few people...so I thought the correct karmic thing to do was to share...

As far as the thyroid...amazingly enough it finally seems to be stabilizing...weird...I'm thinking it had to do with my B12 being low? Maybe since that's been better it's staying level? Maybe it was compensating for that...or lack of...who knows...I am however still researching other docs and have two that I'm throwing around going to...we'll see tho...I kinda don't wanna mess with it...if it's finally behaving itself again...cause dammit...I want it to be steady so we can have kiddos!!!
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Also so far for today...kind of an unintentional IF this morning, nothing but a cup of....coffee (BAD ME) for breakfast...and no food till 2:00 which was my salad for lunch. I really had nothing in the house for breakfast this AM and wasn't all that hungry and didn't feel like forcing myself...so...IF in the AM.

Maybe I'll ask Alan about doing this once a week...couldn't hurt on a rest day maybe? Sometimes I just don't like to eat in the AM. I have found with my early training, that it's REALLY annoying to eat that early before I go...I am forcing food in...

Oh well...that should be my problem all the time I guess!!! LOL.
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I tend to wait till about 12 at least before eating when on a deficit. Tend to get hungrier once I eat, so I put it off as long as I can. Not something I've found is a good idea on PT days (session at 10:30) but otherwise totally works for me. I think LD tends that way too. Eating wakes the hunger.
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Exactly!!!!!

Hmmmm till 12...I could do that...maybe I'll consult the Alan...
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I do the same thing most days and it has really worked for me. Once I start eating for the day - it's on.
I'll be anxious to see what Alan says about this.

And I also appreciate your words on your journey.
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Old 06-04-2009, 02:29 AM   #2380 (permalink)
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I often skip breakfast and have to backload like a mother at the end of the day. I don't like to eat in the mornings as much.
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Sometimes I am hungry upon waking up. I have my coffee slowly through the morning, then my first food is usually around 9-9:30 after being up for 3 hours. It works for me. For me eating 2 medium sized and 1 big meal works best because I am most hungry and most tempted by food in the evenings. I am also curious to see what Alan says about this.
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I do the same thing most days and it has really worked for me. Once I start eating for the day - it's on.
I'll be anxious to see what Alan says about this.

And I also appreciate your words on your journey.
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Sometimes I am hungry upon waking up. I have my coffee slowly through the morning, then my first food is usually around 9-9:30 after being up for 3 hours. It works for me. For me eating 2 medium sized and 1 big meal works best because I am most hungry and most tempted by food in the evenings. I am also curious to see what Alan says about this.
My usual morning routine is up around 7ish or 7:30 and then I don't usually eat till 9:00-9:30. I am definitely a person who feels the hunger later in the day, from late afternoon to evening, so it may work out well for me! I have also been known in the past to go out on a weekend, and not eat till like 4...and then have a snack and big dinner. Like Ginger said...once you start...it's on!!!

What Alan said...was...basically he's ok with it, as long as I don't get dizzy or foggy headed or anything. My plan for now is to try and only do this on Wednesdays. That way, it's in between my training days, and in the middle of the week. I feel better also knowing if I have a day where I have accidentally gone slightly over, I can make up for a little of it. He also said that it's a good tactic to use for before and after holidays...something I will absolutely utilize this year!!! (damn my mother in law and her awesome home baked cookies....damn...)

Anyway...all in all, I had a little tantrum in my email with him...today I weighed in at 310. AF is still here...but MAN do I HATE seeing that number. I saw it yesterday too, and that's what prompted me to wanna IF...it made me not want to eat...which I know is not a good thing to think...but I admitted it to Alan, and he said it's ok...to wait till AF leaves and the smoke AKA "water" clears...and go from there. Man...do I need that WHOOSH FAIRY STAT!!! That stupid whore better be ready for some work.

It's so easy to let that number do you in...even tho I see progress, even tho I measure and I know my biceps are FINALLY down a half inch...(which haven't moved in months) I still let that number kill me. I think...if I weren't so close to breaking 300 I wouldn't care as much maybe? But I do.

It just seems sometimes like it shouldn't be so hard to get under 300. And then other times I feel like...I am losing my security blanket...so when I slip...is it an unconscious effort to hold onto what had protected me for so long?

Wow...that got all touchy feely....
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Old 06-04-2009, 10:00 AM   #2383 (permalink)
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Sorry that you aren't seeing any scale movement. I know that people will say it's other progress that counts (ie. strength, measurements, cardio endurance) but I completely understand the need to see the scale move. Here's hoping for a big whoosh.
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It just seems sometimes like it shouldn't be so hard to get under 300. And then other times I feel like...I am losing my security blanket...so when I slip...is it an unconscious effort to hold onto what had protected me for so long?

Wow...that got all touchy feely....
I hear you on that. I started flipping out when I reached the weight I hadn't gone below in 20 years...even now sometimes I feel panicked and don't recognize myself. It's weird shit. There's no question I used weight all those years to hide behind. This is an ongoing debate and identity crisis with me. Still struggling with it.

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Yeah, for sure. Self-sabotage happens and that bitch is sneaky.

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I hear you on that. I started flipping out when I reached the weight I hadn't gone below in 20 years...even now sometimes I feel panicked and don't recognize myself. It's weird shit. There's no question I used weight all those years to hide behind. This is an ongoing debate and identity crisis with me. Still struggling with it.

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Sorry that you aren't seeing any scale movement. I know that people will say it's other progress that counts (ie. strength, measurements, cardio endurance) but I completely understand the need to see the scale move. Here's hoping for a big whoosh.
Thanks Anne...I think your whoosh wishes were heard! I did get a little one!! And yeah...it's hard to let go of that number...I am trying...but it's so hard!!!

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I hear you on that. I started flipping out when I reached the weight I hadn't gone below in 20 years...even now sometimes I feel panicked and don't recognize myself. It's weird shit. There's no question I used weight all those years to hide behind. This is an ongoing debate and identity crisis with me. Still struggling with it.
It's interesting cause I always kind of thought that as I lost I would really be able to see it/feel it, and I wouldn't want to hide anymore...but it's a strange feeling to be so new in your own skin...it's somewhat more unnerving than I thought it would be...and I'm only at the beginning really...so it will only get weirder!

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So...this AM...down 2 lbs....to 308...hopefully this is AF leaving and taking all her little friends with her. Cause I don't need friends like hers!!! Workout from this morning to follow!
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Boxing With Charlie the Punisher - Today 9AM:


These were superset rounds today 2 sets of each round…kind of a change from the usual one after the other exercises. A LOT more boxing…or at least it felt that way to me! I’ll have to go back and look…we went in circles a few times and then changed it up and went in more circles. It was a sounds beating, I sat on the bench for a good 10 mins after we were done in the locker room telling myself I did not need to puke…good stuff!!!

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First Round done 2 times:

Bosu Ball Step Ups x 20 each leg
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Squat then One Arm Press Squat Rack Bar
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1st set – just bar x 15 each arm
2nd set – bar + 25lbs
3rd set – bar + 35lbs

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Alternating Bosu Ball Push Ups x 30


Second Round Done 2 times:

Bosu Ball Step Ups x 20 each leg

Seated One Armed Cable Rows
1st set – 70lbs x 20 each arm
2nd set – 80lbs x 20 each arm
3rd set – 90lbs x 15 each arm

Alternating Bosu Ball Push Ups x 30

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1-2, Hard Right x 25


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25lbs Plate in Hand, Twist Both Sides on Bench then get up x 25

Pad Training:
1-2, Right Hook, Right Hook, Step Left Hook x 20
1-2, Hard Right x 15 (burned out on last set was supposed to be 20!!!)

Ball Crunches x 25

Done...to locker room...sit on bench...don't puke!!!

I was talking to the hubby afterwards...and saying that sometimes I wish I had more energy...I used to do workouts and still feel like I could go more after the hour...and now I'm not sure if it's cause Charlie is so much better at kicking my ass or because I am having some energy issues...but I feel spent. I guess I'm supposed to feel spent...but I remember feeling awesome...then again those were the cytomel days...LOL.

Anyway...maybe I'm just crazy...reading it now...it was a lot I guess! I just always feel like I could/should do more at the time.
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Just watch that you're not putting so much into your workouts that you're not doing other stuff. If you're just talking about 'at that moment' no problems. Keeping the NEAT up is just as important. I know you know all this, but I can't help myself.
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Just watch that you're not putting so much into your workouts that you're not doing other stuff. If you're just talking about 'at that moment' no problems. Keeping the NEAT up is just as important. I know you know all this, but I can't help myself.
See...at work during the year, it's hard to get any NEAT in, other than not bringing too many of the office supplies into my office so I need to get up often to go get them from the supply closet...other than that, I have been volunteering to go check for the mail during the day, but there's not much moving around to be done during my general work day. So, when I am at the gym, I do like to put a lot in! On the weekends, I do try to get a lot more NEAT in when I can tho. It's frustrating during the week...but that's just how it is...and by the time I leave work and go to the gym and go home make dinner I'm pretty much on the couch after that cause my energy is spent!!!

During the summer weeks...from June 29th thru August 20th...camp is actually in session so I move around a LOT more during the day. But generally during the year, I do graphics...so...there's not much moving to be done...

I do appreciate you pointing it out tho...it makes me think about moving around more at work...even if it's just to go for a lap downstairs and up again!!! I should get a timer...and do that every 1/2 hr!!!

Other than that...I'd need a new job...like in a stock room where I lift and tote and stuff...
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There are lots of timer gadgets available for the computer to alert you every so often to do whatever.
I find they are more annoyance than welcome break but YMMV.
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At home I use a kitchen timer, but that's not necessarily appropriate for an office environment. I was thinking about the end of the day (ie. being too tired to do anything else). And believe me, I still have to kind of force myself to get up from the computer and/or couch some days. Just now I was dusting the desk and found two things that needed to go upstairs (one to the kitchen, one right upstairs). In the past I'd have put them on the staircase so they would go the next time. Tonight I made a point to make the extra trip. Good think too as I'd forgotten to turn off the pool pump, so I nipped outside to do that as well. I'm kind of looking forward to the warmer weather - as I'll need to water more outside and trim the plants more often.
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Yeah...I kinda feel like that too Lisa...I'd probably throw it a the wall after the 2nd time it went off...
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Yeah...those are the things I try not to do anymore! I know what you mean!!! Oh man..I am so jealous of your pool...I miss mine at my mom's. We used to read books while walking around in circles...it was fun...plus after being in the cold water most of the day my body always stayed nice and cool and it always felt so good!!
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Old 06-05-2009, 09:25 PM   #2396 (permalink)
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I use a timer at home as a trick from Flylady - 15 mins of focused cleaning, or picking up or whatever - so the timer tells me I can stop, so it is welcome.

When I was in college I'd set the timer around an hour to take a break or change subjects or change study modes. I'd do laundry and take a break when the timer went off to change the wash or bring in a load. But at work it is just one more damn interuption if I'm busy or in flow - and if I'm not having that kind of good day then I'll get up and walk around for the mental break anyway.
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Old 06-05-2009, 09:45 PM   #2397 (permalink)
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Holy Shit Kristen. I don't see how you can eat as little as you do and do that kind of workout. That would have me bonking all over the damn place. Not to mention eating my arm off.
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Old 06-05-2009, 10:05 PM   #2398 (permalink)
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There are lots of timer gadgets available for the computer to alert you every so often to do whatever.
I find they are more annoyance than welcome break but YMMV.
Kind of like the snooze button?
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Talking to you on the phone, I thought your workout sounded crazy. But seeing it written down... Holy crap! Those rows are insane.


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I use a timer at home as a trick from Flylady - 15 mins of focused cleaning, or picking up or whatever - so the timer tells me I can stop, so it is welcome.

When I was in college I'd set the timer around an hour to take a break or change subjects or change study modes. I'd do laundry and take a break when the timer went off to change the wash or bring in a load. But at work it is just one more damn interuption if I'm busy or in flow - and if I'm not having that kind of good day then I'll get up and walk around for the mental break anyway.
I only seem to have the attention span for physical activity and creative activity, anything else makes me get up anyway...at work...it's graphics...so I'm usually pretty well engrossed, and if I am in the flow like you say...I don't like to mess with it!!!

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Holy Shit Kristen. I don't see how you can eat as little as you do and do that kind of workout. That would have me bonking all over the damn place. Not to mention eating my arm off.
What's interesting is that my recent mental annoyance is my body's lack of energy, where before I felt like I could breeze through this type of workout and could have done a little more...now I really feel it and work for all of it. I think what I didn't realize before was that I was probably eating at maintenance...(before being a year or two ago with a different trainer and less of an understanding of nutrition!)

Lucky for me Alan builds in a higher calorie day so I don't eat my arm off tho...

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Man...I love my snooze button.........
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Hi!! Thanks for stopping by my log! I've read through some of your log and I just wanted to say that it's great how much progress you have made and how hard you work! It's very inspirational I can see the difference in your progress pictures.

I also read that you have a GWF also...I have been wanting one for a while and mine is on the way...I was not aware that there was an accuracy issue for people with BF% >40 .....and mine is 52% *yikes*...oh well I'll just have something to look forward to!! I'm also excited about the pedometer feature, I've always wondered how many steps/day I take.

Just a question....what does NEAT stand for??

Oh and I'm always up for shoe/purse discussions LOL.... I would be embarrassed to admit how many Coach purses I own...lets just say it's in the double digits I just can't help myself!!
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