Oh no! So sorry the news wasn't better. Seems that shoulder injuries are so common. This will be a good reminder to me like Karla says, to work on those pre-hab exercises. Make sure you heal yourself! And I am sure you will find a way to still get some activity in
Yuck, that was worse news about the shoulder than expected.
Why Repair? I mean.. Bytsi has got a rather decent metabolism AFAIK/R, but there's a bit of 'disordered' thinking about diet/scale and too much despair going on, while in reality the body looks ossum
Yikes! That sucks about your shoulder! Hope you heal quickly! What do you do for it besides rest? Advil, heating pad or icing?
Thanks "Flab" (do you have a name you'd like us to call you ?). I have to do physical therapy and rest and take naproxen... sigh...
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Bytsi, I'm sorry to hear about your shoulder. I hope it heals up quickly so you can get back to your normal workouts.
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Oh crap on the shoulder injury thing.... Looks like lots of shoulder rotations are in your future and scaptions. This is a good reminder for me to do these as well. I try to do shoulder work at least once every couple o' weeks. Too many ways that we overuse it in lifting otherwise.
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Oh Bytsi, that STINKS!!! How obnoxious of your shoulder to betray you like that! I really am sorry--hope you heal quickly.
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Sending some good vibes {{{{ }}}} to that shoulder!
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So sorry about the shoulder. Hope it heals quickly. Very good job on getting it checked out right away though. It's too easy to wait too long.
I know how frustrating it can be as I'm still healing from my hatchet job on my finger. Be careful even with some of the bodyweight and cardio stuff too. I was kind of surprised how much a local upper body injury could affect total balance. You also may find your shoulder ends up being sore from too much indirect activity also due to the splinting and muscle tension from being in pain.
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UGH!! That stinks....but I guess it would force you to maybe do repair...may not be a bad idea after all? I hope it heals quickly...and in the meantime, don't sweat it. A little break won't be so bad.
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Oh no! So sorry the news wasn't better. Seems that shoulder injuries are so common. This will be a good reminder to me like Karla says, to work on those pre-hab exercises. Make sure you heal yourself! And I am sure you will find a way to still get some activity in
Thanks ladies - all of you! I know I say it often, but it needs to be repeated - this forum is amazing and the support is the reason I haven't completely burst into tears of frustration and just given up - many times over...
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Sorry to hear about the shoulder! I know it's going to be hard for you not to any lifting for 3 weeks. I like the idea of doing REPAIR though. Sometimes our bodies finally rebel and say ENOUGH! Give me a break! At least after the 3 weeks you will be well rested and ready to go again.
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Yuck, that was worse news about the shoulder than expected.
Why Repair? I mean.. Bytsi has got a rather decent metabolism AFAIK/R, but there's a bit of 'disordered' thinking about diet/scale and too much despair going on, while in reality the body looks ossum
Thanks Jen and Espi... I looked at Repair again, and honestly, I am between an A and B on my replies. I'm NOT sure I need the program, and after giving it some thought, I'm not going to do REPAIR at this point.
I think Espi's thoughts match where I am right now - I need to fix my relationship with food, but metabolically, I don't think I'm completely screwed up. I need to work on my thoughts about the scale versus body recomp and measurements and HEALTH and general strength, and work on my black-and-white food thoughts - it's not good or bad, it's just food.
So what I'm going to do, and what I've already begun, is to think about my REAL goals (other than scale pounds) and what will get me there and what will be the best plan for the long-term for me.
1. I want to be strong and I want an athlete's body. I LOVE picking up big heavy things and being "macho" and feeling so powerful. When I deadlift or squat or press big heavy weights, I love it. I ENJOY it.
I obviously am taking a forced break now, but I won't let that discourage me. I'll take this time to learn and do more stretching, maybe FINALLY incorporate more foam-rolling, more general mobility and prehab - things I SHOULD do but don't take the time. Probably how I ended up needing this break .
2. I want to feel comfortable wearing clothes, and maybe even in a swimsuit or nekkid. I want to put on clothes at the store and not "feel" fat or self-conscious. I want to pick out something cute and have it fit. I want to tuck in my shirt or wear things that don't hang loose over my belly, I want to wear fitted tops and not think my back-fat-rolls are showing. This is both a mental and a physical goal.
I'm already making progress, in that I have noticed that when I pick out tops at stores, often I have to go back for a smaller size. I have made progress, and now I need my head to catch up and "see" myself as the smaller (but stronger) person I'm becoming.
3. I want to find a way of eating that is not obsessive but will not lead to a weight relapse. I want a way of eating I can live with. I need to learn to relax, yet still track, at least some of the time. I want to learn to both fuel my body and also be able to enjoy the pleasures of eating. I don't want to feel deprived or starved, I don't want to feel out of control, I don't want to feel over-controlled or unable to let loose sometimes.
This break is interesting, coming at a time when I'm also working my way through "Intuitive Eating." The concepts in the book are going through my head as I make my choices during this diet break. I'm sure I'll write (much) more about this in the future, but I'm really trying to be aware of how I think about food, my emotions about it, and my body's needs and reactions to food.
4. I want to train and continue to progress in karate. This means that I probably DO need to get back to some interval training and not do only SS cardio, as this may have played a role in my struggles at my last test (in addition to the inhaler issues).
I also realized that I don't want to rush to get to my black belt. I might wait and test next November instead of in June. Reasons: a) This shoulder injury is going to make it tough to get ready in such a short amount of time. b) I need to compete in five tournaments before April/May and that's going to be hard to fit in, especially with a vacation and my DS's bar mitzvah coming up in the spring. c) The November test is actually a lot cooler! The summer test is a smaller group and it's done outdoors, so it's on the grass and can be 95 and humid or rainy or... bleh! The November test is at National weekend, indoors, with a lot more pomp and ceremony - it could be a lot more fun, easier for my friends and family to attend, and just a better experience. And LESS RUSHED!!!
So... if anyone actually read all that... that's where my head's at right now.
I overate a bit last night, but I'm ok with it. It's all part of the process and figuring out my body. I was trying to think of all the things I'm reading as I ate, and I'm focusing this week on "there are no forbidden foods" along with "how do you feel as you eat this?"
Did 30 min stairmaster this morning, felt good, HR around 75-80%.
So true.. that's what is nice about JP Forums.. not just about looking better nekkid, but it is also about Performance.
If it helps: I've balked at tracking till mid-2004 and now I've been doing it for nearly 5 years, it's 2nd nature and not really as restrictive as it looks. My scale is in the kitchen, I've got a program that is also good for serving sizes when I enter those, and I can change things on the fly.. it does help that I have both this OCD (obessisve compulsiveness) going on as well as a biology background that lets me observe.. besides in the first year (and a half) of tracking it was after the fact and not preplanned.
Since, how will you know how you eat spontaneoulsy when you aren't recording anything? After the fact is a better idea to make it more spontaneously but to have the most information available.
You've got in all in check in there. Once they're all written down, it makes you feel better too. There's a plaque in the gym that says "If you have a goal, you cannot fail" I think it fits you!!!
Nice goals for this down time, though if you can do stairs then not so down huh? Okay so you can't lift but if you can do a couple of days of cardio you certainly can meet fat loss goals. In fact it will be interesting to see how taking the lifting out affects the scale. With you not adding all that LBM I bet you see better numbers. You might not like how it looks as well but the scale might be kinder to you. LOL!
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I agree with goals 1,2, and 3. I like what Espi says about performance instead of just a look. I want to be able to lift heavy things, be athletic, and be healthy not just look like it.
So... this is definitely a test of my emotional strength... Scale's been at 143 for two days now. I KNOW that a 3# (ish) gain is "normal" for a refeed week, and I KNOW I haven't had 10,000 extra calories... but it's hard to see. AF is also due by the weekend, so that isn't helping with scale #s... but not being allowed to lift SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not sure if I'll do any cardio today... forgot my workout bag (as I had to run DS's homework to him on the way to work - I should just let him fail, little PITA ). Definitely will get in a workout tomorrow though... plus I have my first PT session.
Shoulder is actually feeling better, although nowhere near correct. I don't notice it most of the time, but move wrong and I know it! And I can't carry my purse on it, which is SO weird cuz I've always carried my purse on that side...
Last night I ended up leaving work at 6 but had to go to a meeting at 7:30 (which meant 10 minutes to run home and change) so dinner was haphazard at best, and I had NO "down" relax time... just feeling too rushed at the moment. Bleh. AND I didn't get to cook as it was nearly 10 by the time I got home and I couldn't bear to stay up even later, so I have a stupid frozen lunch today . Funny - my tastes changed SO much when I started cooking OBM - I realized I like my own cooking!
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Sorry to hear about the shoulder!
I am totally with you on #1, #2 and #3 above!
Thanks - what about #4 ?
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Bytsi.. I love how you think : "I'm an athlete"
So true.. that's what is nice about JP Forums.. not just about looking better nekkid, but it is also about Performance.
If it helps: I've balked at tracking till mid-2004 and now I've been doing it for nearly 5 years, it's 2nd nature and not really as restrictive as it looks. My scale is in the kitchen, I've got a program that is also good for serving sizes when I enter those, and I can change things on the fly.. it does help that I have both this OCD (obessisve compulsiveness) going on as well as a biology background that lets me observe.. besides in the first year (and a half) of tracking it was after the fact and not preplanned.
Since, how will you know how you eat spontaneoulsy when you aren't recording anything? After the fact is a better idea to make it more spontaneously but to have the most information available.
Tracking really is second nature to me too, at this point... I just go back and forth on how "normal" it is, and if I miss a day, I don't want to beat myself up for it. So I'm NOT tracking at all this week, although yesterday I "caught" myself doing mental calorie math...
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You've got in all in check in there. Once they're all written down, it makes you feel better too. There's a plaque in the gym that says "If you have a goal, you cannot fail" I think it fits you!!!
LOVE that quote Kristen - I think YOU could put it in your signature
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Nice goals for this down time, though if you can do stairs then not so down huh? Okay so you can't lift but if you can do a couple of days of cardio you certainly can meet fat loss goals. In fact it will be interesting to see how taking the lifting out affects the scale. With you not adding all that LBM I bet you see better numbers. You might not like how it looks as well but the scale might be kinder to you. LOL!
This is definitely going to be an interesting experiment... although you and I both know that the moment I get cleared, I'm going to be lifting again!
If nothing else, I'll have a "start" point again for pics for the next challenge - wouldn't want to look good coming in to it, right?
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Great job on defining your goals, Bytsi! I'm sorry about the shoulder injury. Rest and heal quickly!!
Thanks Pauline!
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Oh! Sorry you are dealing with an injury. That stinks.
I do love tha you are taking a diet break and your goals ROCK. Keep on, keeping on!
Thanks Ginny!
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Nice goals. I think that you are on the right track! (and btw you are probably right about the REPAIR)
Thanks - and yeah, the more I read REPAIR again, and took the quiz, the more I realized that while it certainly wouldn't hurt and might help, I don't meet much of the criteria... and I AM recomping, maybe even culking as Karla suggested...
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I agree with goals 1,2, and 3. I like what Espi says about performance instead of just a look. I want to be able to lift heavy things, be athletic, and be healthy not just look like it.
Thanks Bree - yeah, I really am working on the mental aspects of all of this - what do I want? Being an athlete allows for infinite possibilities going forward, and if (WHEN) the body follows along, all the better!
Bytsi, GREAT goals, and very well thought out. You are right on with your way of thinking about fitness, food, etc. Here's hoping your "downtime" goes well and the shoulder heals quickly!
"As far as (healthy) eating, either do it, or don't. Same issues repeated over and over is just insanity. We either commit to the endeavor or pay lip-service to it. This is the hardest part of the whole process, and it needs to be practiced more than the actual physical training. It's mind training." ~ Matt Thorne
"The reason that most people fail instead of succeed is that they trade what they want most for what they want at the moment."
142.5 this morning. AF showed up at 3am with nasty cramps that woke me up, so sleep sucked... luckily I didn't have to get up super early. 30 min stairmaster this morning, decent sweat but not extreme... Still eating whatever I feel like, whenever... had a snack-bag of doritos for bedtime snack (140 cals, stolen from kid's "secret" stash) . They were good, but not something I feel like I want to go totally piggy on...
In some ways I miss tracking. I'm ready to get back in gear, but I'm going to wait til Sunday or Monday so I can still enjoy my dinner out Saturday night... plus, it's good for me and my body to finish the week of eating at / slightly above maintenance, right?
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Bytsi, GREAT goals, and very well thought out. You are right on with your way of thinking about fitness, food, etc. Here's hoping your "downtime" goes well and the shoulder heals quickly!
Thanks Celeste!
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Well you could lift, but at the risk of really doing a number on your shoulder and being out for even longer... So, rest and heal up.
I'm trying, Tom...
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I am totally with you on #1, #2 and #3 above!
Thanks - what about #4 ?
Hahahahah - not so much!!!
LOL!
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LOL! Way to look at the UP side
That's me, always full of sunshine (uh... yeah... )
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Such a bummer to hear about your shoulder Bytsi! That sucks....
I love the goals you've set for yourself! I have no doubt you'll meet them!
Thanks Lori
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Great goals! And as soon as your shoulder is better, you'll be back to kicking ass and taking names!
Thanks!
So... I have my first therapy session in a half-hour (it's nice, for now, to work right where the PTs are). But - the shoulder feels fine! Yes, I can still make it hurt if I move it deliberately wrong or really poke at it, but... I almost wonder if I made too big a deal of it? It sure did hurt on Sunday though...
I think I'll see what the PT says, but my inclination is to get some prehab / rehab exercises and then start back to my routine. I hope she agrees with me... Don't worry - I WILL listen and behave. I know better than to make it worse - done that many times in the past and it just isn't worth it...
Tom - I never liked my own food as much before, but I've learned a bit more about cooking - and also gotten so much more suspicious of many foods, especially frozen foods... I do like the Kashi frozen meals, but even that gets old. And of course there's something to be said for natural ingredients and knowing what's actually going into your body...
So... GOOD NEWS from the PT!!!!!!!!!!!
While she definitely could make my shoulder hurt, it wasn't weak or short in ROM in any tests. She worked on it for a while, massaging (OW!) and then with ultrasound to get in deep. She said to keep resting it and do a bunch of scap/RTC strengthening exercises (which she taught me) and then I can lift after the weekend!!! I can also go back to karate as long as I am careful...
She said to lift (but 8-10 rep range instead of 4) before my next visit (next Thurs) so she can see the effect, and not to do overhead shoulder moves (like presses). I did a couple of pull-ups to see if they hurt (with her watching) and I'm cleared to try those again too! Yay!!!!!
I almost felt stupid going in at this point, but when she massaged the acromium area, it really hurt. My supraspinatus is definitely still knotted up and inflamed, but I won't have to be on rest for 3-4 weeks. Still NO idea how I irritated it either... weird!
I am glad that you don't know what caused it. Just because it makes me feel like less of an idiot for incuring that rib/back injury without a known cause. Our bodies are so weird.....
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Wow Bytsi I am so sorry to hear about your shoulder injury! But I'm glad it's not as bad as was originally thought. I should have Bri read you post about the visit with the PT... he's done all of that stuff in school but still is under the impression that he'll never be good enough or know enough to be out in the real world working with patients. From the sound of your visit he would have been able to do exactly what she did, which would make him happy to realize.
I'm fighting shoulder issues too though mine have hopefully not progressed to full injury status. I started doing some pre-hab stuff today and it made me realize how badly I need to do that stuff because it was making all sorts of popping and grinding noises, not pretty. Anyway, here's to a speedy recovery for you!!!
Sometimes I think it's our inner 80 year old trying to come out from time to time. Back in July, I had an awful bout of bursitis in my hip for a few weeks. Then one day it was gone.
Yay for your shoulder!!! And for karate...and lifting after the weekend. I know what you mean about feeling stupid...but you never know...so it's always good to have someone look at it and this time it paid off cause it was better than you thought!
?). I have to do physical therapy and rest and take naproxen... sigh...
. Funny - my tastes changed SO much when I started cooking OBM - I realized I like my own cooking
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