I totally agree with you here and I really hate these for all the reasons you listed. I got through them in stage 2 and now they're back for stage 4 and I still can't stand them . I'll be looking for your post in the NROLW board to see if there are answers or acceptable substitutes.
I just wanted to pop in and say I'm reading your log and you're doing so well with your workouts and journaling, working with your foods and logs, etc !
Thanks Karen!!! I did post that thread, and I'm hoping to figure it out sooner than later. I know those nasty FSPP's are gonna be around for a while... Also thanks for the encouragement
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The FSPP hurt my wrists in the beginning, too, but I kept playing with it and finally found a comfortable position. I ended up placing my hands further back on my shoulders so that the bar wasn't pulling on my fingers quite so much. I don't even know how to explain it right but, once I got that, it was okay. Now if I could just get better at the transitioning from squat-finger part to press-palm part.
I'm gonna have to try to wiggle the bar around and try it... Seems like if it was more on my shoulders, it'd also be more on my neck/throat? I might take a 20# bar and just play with the placement...
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Hey Bytsi, just a random thought. You have been logging and doing this for so long. Are you getting tired?
I backed down a couple of weeks, not over doing the cals but eating things here and there, read pancakes and stuff. I don't like to feel deprived too much, I know if you are hungry that that is a symptom of fatloss, but if it is causing you to want more, maybe a break for a couple of days and get it out of your system?
I dunno, just a ramble. I get so tired of macros, weighing, this and that. I made a template of meals. I need more templates, so I can just do it and swap when I feel like it.
I was told when I said I can't get in all the protein, read 250 g, yeeooowww, up my fats, not my carbs. It does make me feel like I can stay on it better. Not so deprived.
I rambled enough... did I make any sense? LOL
Yah, you make sense I do take breaks sometimes... right now I'm still in my psyched to do it phase for NROLW... and I hated having last week "off" from lifting! I skip journaling sometimes too, but I just really do better when I keep at it. I think the hunger is just something I'm going to have to experiment with as I go - am I losing more or less on X or Y calories, etc etc... I do find that getting my fat up to 30% helps. I hadn't paid a lot of attention to macros before NROL (just calories), and when I started looking, I was around 15-17% fat most days... Thanks for the advice - it helps!!!
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Have no clue what you're talking about since I haven't started Stage 2 yet, but I'm not too far behind!!
I know what you mean about junk calories...there just lurking around waiting to snag us. I call them calorie landmines!
I hate those dang landmines . We have a big dinner thing tonight, but I'm trying to go in with a good nutritional base and a plan... and I'll try not to be too hard on myself if I eat a bit too...
Planning SS cardio tomorrow - first one since beginning of March! I did notice my endurance for cardio seems to suck now (noticed my warmup was pathetic before plyos)... so maybe once/week won't be so terrible...
I'm gonna have to try to wiggle the bar around and try it... Seems like if it was more on my shoulders, it'd also be more on my neck/throat?
Sorry for not being able to better explain it. I mean my hands are further back, not the bar. It seemed like my hands couldn't go any further back but I just fidgeted until I found the magical contortionist fairy dust and they went. The bar stayed up against my throat but not any further than it was. Which means the bar ended up resting closer to my palm than it had been -- still on my fingers but not down on my fingertips.
Egads. I so am not capable of explanations right now. If you tie yourself into a knot, I'll come untie you!
If you tie yourself into a knot, I'll come untie you!
Deal!!!
Back on program this morning... kinda... Did my first relatively SS workout since starting NROL4W about 7 weeks ago... Did some karate practice as a warmup, then hit the stairmaster on the "speed training" program which is aerobic intervals (but I don't get anaerobic doing it) for 30 minutes. Started at level 7, had to take it to level 6 halfway through (but I used to have to do that sometimes anyway). My endurance isn't great, but I didn't lose as much as I'd feared... Can't imagine an hour on the stairmaster at the moment, but then again - that always sucked when I did it! .
I am going to try doing 1/week slightly longer SS-ish cardio, because I do want to maintain some endurance, and it might help a bit with some fat-burn without (hopefully) spiking my appetite like HIIT and lifting do.
Planning tomorrow "off" (except for my first Pilates lesson (30 minutes) and karate class in the evening)... hmmm... I don't think I quite get the "day off" thing, do I? Anyway... then will do Stage 2 B1 on Tuesday.
Pilates on the reformer is fun!!! But dang, I am not very flexible. Instructor actually laughed at me and my tight hip flexors ... but I loved it. I also did a beautifully graceful face plant at one point -- I was doing this kneeling thingy with my legs kinda braced, and then she had me move away from the part I was bracing my knees against. She said "you're going to fall forward, so be careful" and I didn't listen and WHOMP! Right on my face, but no harm done... I was laughing so hard at myself too... but I'm going back again next week I NEED the flexibility work (which is what I asked her to focus on).
Karate tonight if I don't snooze on the couch first... that is the worst part about evening classes - I get home from work and I just want to collapse and not get up and be energetic... but I will make myself go - I'm (almost) always glad once I do .
Stage 2, B1. I did NOT wanna get up and work out today... but I did.
Wide-grip DL from step -- not sure I get why we do these versus regular DL's - gonna re-read that part... Anyway... 10x115, 10x125.
Bulgarian Split-squat -- 2x10 @ 25# -- some minor balance issues, but mostly I need to work on getting my range of motion deep enough on these.
Underhand grip lat pulldown -- 2x10 @ 130# -- I thought these would be easier than the overhand, but just the change in grip seems to make a difference - that and that I was doing 10 reps instead of 8. In any case, I definitely won't increase the weight on these next time.
Prone Cuban Snatch -- These kinda bother my right shoulder, which got wrenched in karate about a week ago... 10 w/ 5# db's, 10 w/ 8# db's.
Rear lunge off step w/ forward reach -- 2x10 w 10# db's. I will go higher in weight next time, but I REALLY felt these. I think I'm gonna like them if I survive them
Ball crunch, reverse crunch, side flexion -- Did all 3 before taking a rest, 2 sets. Eh.
Prone Cobra -- 60 sec, 75 sec. Felt them, but ick. Don't like 'em. Boring and annoying. But Alwyn says I have to, so I will.
No HIIT after - no time and no legs left either... Maybe tomorrow, but probably no HIIT til Friday this week...
HOW do you do so much weight on these? I must be screwing up big-time in form, cuz they just feel nasty.
Congrats on finishing up 2B1!! I'll keep following you, okay?
Glad you're back Sally! I don't know how I did that weight - I FEEL it today!!!!
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The WG DL from the box is done to give you a longer reach....they are harder than normal DL's.
Yeah... I definitely got the "harder than normal DL's" part on those! I was doing 145# (I think!?!?) on regular DL's, and I was pretty surprised at how much 115 / 125# stressed me. No increase on weight on those for next time, that's for sure!
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Just poppin' in to say
Hi back atcha!! Where do you get the cute moving smilies?
Hi Bytsi! It is cool to see that we will be following the program pretty close to one another. I am not looking forward to the wide grip DL from the box - and I have never done a Cuban Snatch before so it should be interesting!
Hi Bytsi! It is cool to see that we will be following the program pretty close to one another. I am not looking forward to the wide grip DL from the box - and I have never done a Cuban Snatch before so it should be interesting!
How is the hunger going?
Hi Tess! The hunger... not so good... still hungry! Yesterday I got a little closer to my planned calories (and my macros were good). I would've been spot-on, but after karate I was still pretty hungry, so at least I tried to make a good choice - had a few walnuts and some dried apricots... At least I hit my 40/30/30 within about 1%... I saw that you're still hungry too. I'm gonna see what happens...
My belly is looking big but the scale wasn't up, so... is this MAYBE that whole smooshy fat whoosh thingy starting for me? I hope so - otherwise... ICK!!! Hate my belly (it's always been one of my "issues" and areas I struggle with), so I don't want to think it's going to stay all poofy and soft forever...
Karate last night - not too strenuous (kata and some other non-fighting stuff)...
Today: Stage 2 A2 Front squat push press -- 2x10 @ 40, 45. This went better than last time. I had a trainer (a good one) watch me yesterday, and he suggested I worry less about my elbows and rolling the bar onto my fingertips and just do the movement. So I let my elbows drop a bit, kept my grip more comfortable (for me), didn't worry as much when the bar pushed against my throat and just did 'em. Plenty of "push", felt it everywhere in all the right places. Did the Oly bar for my 2nd set, will probably add a little more weight if it goes well again next time.
Step-ups -- 2x10 @ 50#. Same as last time, still no thoughts of increasing weight 'cuz I grunt and groan my way through these.
1-point Row -- 1x15 @ 70 (2x35#), 1x10 @ 80# -- I screwed up and did all 10 on one leg, so I threw in 5 more on the other leg for my first set. Second set I increased weight since I did 15 first set - and it was hard!
Static Lunge rear foot elevated -- 2/10 @ 30# (2x15# db's). I think I actually step out too far sometimes with this one - I feel it on the front of my thigh/groin on the back leg, but if I step back in a little, I feel it where I should. Gotta watch that!
Pushups -- 2/10 with my feet on the bench. Actually not as hard as I thought it'd be, so back to the step/walk pushups next time.
Plank -- 1x60, 1x60 with a couple of 1-second knee drops. HATE THESE!!!!
Horizontal Wood chop -- 2x10 @ 60#. Still working on dropping my shoulders and focusing on only using obliques.
1-point Row -- 1x15 @ 70 (2x35#), 1x10 @ 80# -- I screwed up and did all 10 on one leg, so I threw in 5 more on the other leg for my first set. Second set I increased weight since I did 15 first set - and it was hard!
Wow. That's huge.
Thanks for the dailyplate site reccomendation. I'm going to check it out so I can avoid math. I hate math.
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Congrats on finding a comfier way to do the FSPP!! Ooh, good job on all of those PRs, too!
Thanks Diane . I don't know if I was particularly correct in my form, but it sure didn't hurt as bad, and I ALMOST liked them when my wrists and throat weren't being killed. ALMOST
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Thanks for the dailyplate site reccomendation. I'm going to check it out so I can avoid math. I hate math.
You are quite welcome . I think Fitday does similar math for you, but I just like DailyPlate - let me know what you think...
Thanks!!! I love your smilies - just haven't figured out how to get them yet!
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Uh those are some pretty kick ass PRs you got there little hamster! Nice job and on a deficit too! Pretty sure you are outlifting me right now.
I doubt that I'm outlifting you Karla! Pound for pound I think you're pretty darn strong - I'm shorter and heavier than you -- bet you never met a short fat strong hamster before ! Mostly, your discipline is inspiring. I do know that if chocolate ceased to exist, I would be a lot leaner . But at least I've cut way back on it!
Calorie-wise, I'm not sure I'm on a deficit - I still need some experimenting time to figure out my maintenance vs. deficit vs. gain levels... And I'm also not sure whether I want to eat at maintenance for my goal or my current weight (only about 10-15# difference, if I'm gonna shoot for something realistic instead of "Hollywood" in my goals). I do know I'm HUNGRY right now, but I have about 300 calories left today, and I'm gonna go eat 'em
My hunger level is increasing - but I am "happy" with it because I am using it as evidence that my body is working hard - I was undershooting my calorie goals in Stage 1 because after dinner if I didn't feel like eating anything just to fill up the calories I didn't do it. I am meeting my goals now - I even went over it on Wednesday.
However, right now I am pretty uncomfortable (hungry!). I did HIIT after my Workout B1 today and it really killed me. I only did 3 high intensity sprints - hope to do 4 next time.
HIIT this morning - I was TIRED (stayed up to watch Lost - even though I was tivo-ing it too! Ugh - stupid stupid stupid!). Woke up and then felt like... blech... Went to the gym anyway, hit the stairmaster and it hit back . Forced myself to do my intervals (8 min warmup, 8x30 seconds @ level 10 with level 3 30-45 second recoveries, 8 min cooldown). TIRED!!!
Hungry too... off to eat my lunch (tuna/avocado sushi - yum!!!)...
Not sure about my workout plan for tomorrow - karate tournament, and I'm not sure if I'll spar or just do kata. If I "only" do kata, might do some SS afterwards... then stage 2 B2 on Sunday is the plan...
... Mostly, your discipline is inspiring. I do know that if chocolate ceased to exist, I would be a lot leaner . But at least I've cut way back on it!...
Ah... So chocolate is your drug. Mine is Pizza. A couple o' things here. 1. Eat every few hours to keep cravings down. 2. Figure out some healthy chocolate reciepe that will keep your cravings in check.
This is how I was able to overcome my drug. The chocolate reciepe would be pretty easy. Cocoa is pretty good and healthy in and of itself. You could do a fat free cheese cake with stevia or I heard that some people do cocoa and cottage cheese blends as well. Also there is a gainer suppliment out there that totally rocks chocolate. Cytogainer chocolate mint or chocolate carmel are really good. You'll get a boatlaod of carbs with your chocolate but also tons of protein and the carbs are complex.
If you can substitute these things for those nasty ass candy bars and other deadly chocoate things you are eating then you will be well on your way to kicking your drug habit.
Ah... So chocolate is your drug. Mine is Pizza. A couple o' things here. 1. Eat every few hours to keep cravings down. 2. Figure out some healthy chocolate reciepe that will keep your cravings in check.
This is how I was able to overcome my drug. The chocolate reciepe would be pretty easy. Cocoa is pretty good and healthy in and of itself. You could do a fat free cheese cake with stevia or I heard that some people do cocoa and cottage cheese blends as well. Also there is a gainer suppliment out there that totally rocks chocolate. Cytogainer chocolate mint or chocolate carmel are really good. You'll get a boatlaod of carbs with your chocolate but also tons of protein and the carbs are complex.
If you can substitute these things for those nasty ass candy bars and other deadly chocoate things you are eating then you will be well on your way to kicking your drug habit.
Thanks for those recipes Karla - might just try them -- kinda like chocolate methadone, eh?
I like pizza too, but chocolate is EVERYWHERE! I tend to only like the "real" thing, so I go for portion control. Can't remember the last time I ate an entire bar - gotta be more than 10 years ago! One individually-wrapped square of dark chocolate (about 50 kcal), or a 60-kcal mini-pack of m&m's (takes a while to eat the little pieces) works for me... If I limit myself to one/day (or less), I don't think I'm doing tons of damage at this point.
You guys are funny! Shawn always tells me food is like drugs for me - the amount of money, time, effort and thought I put into it. What can I say, I love to eat!
Wow, what a great journal! I am very impressed with your lifting . . . those are heavy weights! You strong woman.
Okay, maybe I'll get booed off the stage here but on days when I just can't get full I find that eating a dense protein helps (steak or chicken). I have steak and eggs for breakfast, chicken for lunch, and steak w/ blue cheese for dinner and maybe a pork chop in between if I am feeling the need to munch. It takes longer to eat this food, so the hunger meter gets a chance to tell me 'I'm full' and while it isn't as satisfying as a carb (rice, potatoes, chips, sweet, etc) it keeps me fuller longer so I don't go fridge diving. Just one day, not forever.
Anyhoo, hth and keep up the great workouts!
Wow, what a great journal! I am very impressed with your lifting . . . those are heavy weights! You strong woman.
Okay, maybe I'll get booed off the stage here but on days when I just can't get full I find that eating a dense protein helps (steak or chicken). I have steak and eggs for breakfast, chicken for lunch, and steak w/ blue cheese for dinner and maybe a pork chop in between if I am feeling the need to munch. It takes longer to eat this food, so the hunger meter gets a chance to tell me 'I'm full' and while it isn't as satisfying as a carb (rice, potatoes, chips, sweet, etc) it keeps me fuller longer so I don't go fridge diving. Just one day, not forever.
Anyhoo, hth and keep up the great workouts!
Toni
Thanks Toni!!! -- for the compliment (aw shucks ) and the advice. I do think protein is a better snack for me when I'm starving - I KNOW if I eat crappy processed carbs, it leads to feeling hungrier and hungrier instead of filling me up . I just rediscovered beef jerky (read a few people here eating it, and then just happened to see it at Target!) and YUM - I used to love it, but now I see how good for me it is too - yay!
ANYWAY... today was the karate tournament. We had a nice turnout... DH took first in kata (but sucked in his sparring LOL!), DS sucked at kata (no shock there) but - mommy brag time - took FIRST out of 12 kids in sparring - Yay kid!!!!
As for me, I was disappointed in my sparring - I got 3rd, but I should've done better. The round before mine (we do a round-robin type pooling system), one woman actually decked another woman (hit her in the face and she went DOWN like a log!). The one who got hit withdrew herself and wouldn't go back in (kinda sad that she didn't tough it out). Anyway, I was the next to face off against the scary woman who did the face shot (we're not supposed to make any actual head contact in our tournaments and she kept punching everyone in the face!) and I think it backed me off. Instead of going in for the points, I was too hesitant and we ended up in a tie. I shoulda won that one.
But my kata was great! I'm in a pretty tough division and have never placed in it no matter how good a job I do -- today I took 3rd out of 9 and beat some guys who I really think are excellent... Yay me! . In fact, two of the top 4 were women (which is pretty unusual for our tournaments). Girl power!!!
I didn't eat much at all before/during the tournament - not entirely by choice... I did have a PWO with me, and some beef jerky... but I should've planned the day a little better. Oh well.
Today, met a friend for karate practice for an hour in the morning, got kinda sweaty and a bit tired... threw each other around in preparation for a belt test coming a bit too soon...
Then on to Stage 2 B2.
Wide-grip DL from step -- 10x125, 10x135 Nearly lost my grip on the 2nd set, but made it through somehow. My fingers were almost numb when I tried to unwrap them from the bar!
Bulgarian Split-squat -- 2x10 @ 25#. I used db's instead of a plate this time, and it felt much more comfortable. My range of motion was better too...
Underhand grip lat pulldown -- 2x10 @ 130# -- Still super tough. I considered lowering the weight in the 2nd set, but I didn't... ugh. Had to stop and regrip a couple of times.
Prone Cuban Snatch -- 2x10 w/ 8# db's.
Rear lunge off step w/ forward reach -- 2x10 w 12.5# db's.
I don't know when/where I did it, but as I was finishing these up, I noticed pain/cramping just above my left glute. Not really lower back (or is it?), could be radiating pain from it, some kind of minor sciatic pinch? Maybe I did a twist and didn't notice, or lapsed form on the dl's and didn't realize it, or coulda been from landing after a throw in karate practice earlier. Not sharp pain and no distinct point of onset, but definitely tightened up to strong discomfort. ARGH!!
Ball crunch, reverse crunch, side flexion -- Back was "ok" on crunches and side flexion, but reverse crunches were a no-go. Only did one set of the others and got mad so I didn't complete abs/core.
Prone Cobra -- Did 2x60, didn't seem to bother my back, but I was getting cranky by then so I didn't try to go more than 60 seconds.
It's worst sitting, fine standing or lying... and it has loosened up a bit as I went through the day. The test will be tomorrow morning - I'll either wake up just fine or in pain. sigh...
. I'll be looking for your post in the NROLW board to see if there are answers or acceptable substitutes. 
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. We have a big dinner thing tonight, but I'm trying to go in with a good nutritional base and a plan... and I'll try not to be too hard on myself if I eat a bit too...
Anyway... then will do Stage 2 B1 on Tuesday.
. I don't know if I was particularly correct in my form, but it sure didn't hurt as bad, and I ALMOST liked them when my wrists and throat weren't being killed. ALMOST 
on the PR's!!!!
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