I know your frustration. I went through it last spring/summer. I could see my body was changing but not my weight.
Maybe it's time to reconsider doing NROL4W and go to OPT or something else that you don't have to eat as much to support. That way you can get the fat loss done and overwith and move onto other things.
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Thanks Ginger... I'm still tweaking... When I look at the big picture, it's downward in weight - but too slow. I know it's time to step back and look at areas I can improve... but hey - I'm allowed a frustrated day (or week) sometimes, right? sigh...
Of course you are! I hope you didn't take my post in the wrong way. I just know how hard you are working and how bad you want this. I was agreeing with you, that you are allowed frustration and I think we all feel that way at one time or another, whether or not we post about it here.
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I know your frustration. I went through it last spring/summer. I could see my body was changing but not my weight.
Maybe it's time to reconsider doing NROL4W and go to OPT or something else that you don't have to eat as much to support. That way you can get the fat loss done and overwith and move onto other things.
Thanks Paula... I am doing FLTS without OPT - and I'm SO close to being done with NROLW - I only have 2 workouts left in stage 6 and I'm not planning on stage 7 for exactly the reasons you posted - too metabolically taxing.
I'm planning to do Coach Dos's program - but only 2/week. I LOVE that kind of lifting and I'm actually doing better lately with the post-lifting hunger...
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Of course you are! I hope you didn't take my post in the wrong way. I just know how hard you are working and how bad you want this. I was agreeing with you, that you are allowed frustration and I think we all feel that way at one time or another, whether or not we post about it here.
Oops, and sorry about the injury.
I didn't take it the wrong way at all Ginger - I truly appreciate the commiseration... it helps to know I'm not alone in this. I wouldn't even be this far without the amazing support (and encouragement and wisdom) I get here.
-- gotta go ice .
Ouch on the shin bruising and swelling. Get to icing (I'm following my own advice too).
I can't eat cottage cheese either. I wish that I could because it seems like there are so many good things you can do with it. I've resorted to plain soy yogurt with fruit and protein powder. It's pretty good and does the job nicely.
Hmmmmm..... Couple o' thoughts more on this. You mentioned that you pack lunches and snacks and commented that you have to drink after your workout because you cannot eat for some reason. I think we may be talking apples to oranges wrt food packing and anal retetivness. You might realize that I am a fairly black/white person. (I know it's a hard one to imagine...) So in that light I basically pack everything I am going to eat for an entire day in my cooler. All of them are meals. There are no snacks. I don't eat unless I get balanced macros in the 200-400 cal range. That way my day is really easy. If it don't come from my cooler it don't go in my mouth. I don't know if this would be helpful or not to you but it really makes it simple for me to be compliant that way.
Interestingly I am at a crossroads right now too. I managed to gain weight this week on just under 1800 cals. I know much of that is "other" then muscle 'cause there ain't no way I gained 2lbs in muscle this past week but still it is a gain. This means my metabolism is finally kicking back to my weight. I have to decide now what to do. I know I can kick it up and lose and get it all over with but it will come at a cost. The bike riding that I am doing is really whipping my butt. I am learning more and more that to do a fair cut you really need to do less. Less is more when it comes to dieting I think. Do I want to lose weight or go for those really long rides.... ??? Hmmmmmm....
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I'm so sorry things are so frustrating now. It's so annoying to know that you can be mathematically creating the deficit to lose the weight, but not actually lose. I don't know what to tell you as I have been doing a terrible job with my food and my workouts, but just know we're here for you!
Also, that sucks about the injury! I hope it heals up fast, it sounds really painful!
I have a whopper of a bruise on my leg, but it has stopped hurting, so hopefully you can get to the "it looks worse than it feels" phase really quickly! Keep up the ice and try some advil to help with the swelling.
Hi Bytsi, just wanted to stop by and say hi. Saw your post at Leigh's blog, well said.
Another one here with no protein powder and cottage cheese, etc. Used to eat these things all the times, but apparently age caught up with me and I have some digestive issues. It's a good thing you are experimenting with different digestive enzymes and different foods. In hindsight, I would have been more careful about not eating the same food over and over and more variety.
Egg white protein powder mixed in a blender with some fruit, flavorings and ice tastes just as good as whey. I've never been brave enough to drink it straight with water though. But it's an option if you can't find a tolerable whey product.
On another note, this is my n=1 experience when transitioning from a heavier endurance triathlete workout schedule to a more moderate load. While marathon training, I hurt my foot last year and dropped almost all my activity except lifting 2x/wk plus MAYBE I'd be cardio once a week. I dropped a few pounds without even trying plus while adding some starchy carbs to my diet. At the time, I didn't understand why I was losing but since coming to JP's, it makes sense. At the moment, I haven't figured out my personal balance of exercise and neat, but it's been an interesting journey.
You sound like a fighter. Congrats on all your progress
Ouch on the shin bruising and swelling. Get to icing (I'm following my own advice too).
I can't eat cottage cheese either. I wish that I could because it seems like there are so many good things you can do with it. I've resorted to plain soy yogurt with fruit and protein powder. It's pretty good and does the job nicely.
Thanks about the shin - it's getting worse as the day goes on . Quite sore, and I am noticing a bit of a limp - feels kinda like I have a bad shin splint, only I know it's from the multiple contusions . Also the colors are very purty and spreading rapidly .
I can do SOME limited dairy - I use lactaid milk in my shakes and do fine, and I can eat Greek yogurt... not a big fan of soy milk (although I LOVE edamame and miso soup!). I just can't do the massive artificial sweeteners in Nectar, I guess, and cottage cheese totally overwhelms my system.
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Hmmmmm..... Couple o' thoughts more on this. You mentioned that you pack lunches and snacks and commented that you have to drink after your workout because you cannot eat for some reason. I think we may be talking apples to oranges wrt food packing and anal retetivness. You might realize that I am a fairly black/white person. (I know it's a hard one to imagine...) So in that light I basically pack everything I am going to eat for an entire day in my cooler. All of them are meals. There are no snacks. I don't eat unless I get balanced macros in the 200-400 cal range. That way my day is really easy. If it don't come from my cooler it don't go in my mouth. I don't know if this would be helpful or not to you but it really makes it simple for me to be compliant that way.
Karla - you, black and white? Noooooo
Seriously though - I pack the majority of my food. What I meant about the solid food before/after workout was just how much I can get away with munching at my desk while working - I do snack, but it's easier to get a big protein boost in shake form when I'm working out immediately after work - and also driving home after a workout, it's probably safer to drink my pwo . I am not perfect about it, so not EVERY snack / meal is balanced - I try for a balance of macros over a 24-hour period, and within that I try to at least get decent protein at every meal / snack.
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Interestingly I am at a crossroads right now too. I managed to gain weight this week on just under 1800 cals. I know much of that is "other" then muscle 'cause there ain't no way I gained 2lbs in muscle this past week but still it is a gain. This means my metabolism is finally kicking back to my weight. I have to decide now what to do. I know I can kick it up and lose and get it all over with but it will come at a cost. The bike riding that I am doing is really whipping my butt. I am learning more and more that to do a fair cut you really need to do less. Less is more when it comes to dieting I think. Do I want to lose weight or go for those really long rides.... ??? Hmmmmmm....
I think you're not at a totally different place, just different factors. How much do I want it, and how quickly, and what sacrifices / trade-offs am I willing to make? You love your bike - will you give it up (even temporarily) for the results? I have similar questions, just different variables .
I enjoy your posts, because you always challenge me and make me think - and throw in good advice too!
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I'm so sorry things are so frustrating now. It's so annoying to know that you can be mathematically creating the deficit to lose the weight, but not actually lose. I don't know what to tell you as I have been doing a terrible job with my food and my workouts, but just know we're here for you!
Also, that sucks about the injury! I hope it heals up fast, it sounds really painful!
I have a whopper of a bruise on my leg, but it has stopped hurting, so hopefully you can get to the "it looks worse than it feels" phase really quickly! Keep up the ice and try some advil to help with the swelling.
Thanks Jes... about the deficit and the bruise. Hope your bruise heals - mine sux. Hopefully the pain will be gone soon, but I can't wait til this weekend when I want to wear shorts .
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Hi Bytsi, just wanted to stop by and say hi. Saw your post at Leigh's blog, well said.
Thanks!! That one hit home for me.
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Another one here with no protein powder and cottage cheese, etc. Used to eat these things all the times, but apparently age caught up with me and I have some digestive issues. It's a good thing you are experimenting with different digestive enzymes and different foods. In hindsight, I would have been more careful about not eating the same food over and over and more variety.
I can do protein powder - just not Nectar . Do you think eating the same foods over and over made you sensitive to them? I love my "usual" foods and do eat many things on a regular basis. Sometimes I get sick of 'em and move to something else, but I'd hate to develop an intolerance due to frequency!
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On another note, this is my n=1 experience when transitioning from a heavier endurance triathlete workout schedule to a more moderate load. While marathon training, I hurt my foot last year and dropped almost all my activity except lifting 2x/wk plus MAYBE I'd be cardio once a week. I dropped a few pounds without even trying plus while adding some starchy carbs to my diet. At the time, I didn't understand why I was losing but since coming to JP's, it makes sense. At the moment, I haven't figured out my personal balance of exercise and neat, but it's been an interesting journey.
You sound like a fighter. Congrats on all your progress
Thanks! Interesting that you lost while on rehab... it does make sense, provided your food intake overall was lower due to the lower activity. Hope your foot is better now.
As I mentioned... leg is sore. I was hoping it'd work itself out today, but instead, it's curtailed much of my usual NEAT because I'm gimpy on it. Crap. It's not a BAD injury, just a majorly inconvenient stupid pain in the ---- leg . I was going to miss karate tomorrow anyway (to go to ladies night - wonderful - more food to deal with). SIGH...
I can do protein powder - just not Nectar . Do you think eating the same foods over and over made you sensitive to them? I love my "usual" foods and do eat many things on a regular basis. Sometimes I get sick of 'em and move to something else, but I'd hate to develop an intolerance due to frequency!.
I have heard you can develop allergies like this, but not intolerance like you have. I've heard of people having one bad experience/overdoing it with shellfish and then never being able to eat it again. I don't know that you can do that with protein, though, it's just not the same issue. I think it's just developing a lactose intolerance. Most of the over 35 population has developed an intolerance and it's no surprise that you're unable to eat more and more things. It sucks, but at least you're not allergic!
Byts... Been thinking of you all evening. First of all gotta say that you are an extremely open minded and cool person. You will suceed because of this.
Secondly you seem to be doing all the right things based on your answers to my inquiries. In all my thinking I can only conclude one of two things.
1. You are either sneaking in extra calories somehow
2. Your metabolism is tanked
If 1, you just have to be ultra aware of your behaviours over the next time period. I caught myself the other day eating almonds from the bin at the grocery store. I always do that and rarely ever log it. Usually it is 4 or less but even so if I do that sort of thing frequently that could add up.
I don't know how you can test for 2 in an easy way. I think Leigh's books probably could help you with that.
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Scale this morning 144.5 BUT it was SOOOO close to 144 - almost was gonna call it 144, but I'll wait til it's solidly on it.
Leg is much better today - looks AWFUL, but it feels ok and even though there's more color (amazing color!), the actual swelling seems to be down significantly... I was gonna take today off to let it heal, but I honestly think it's fine so I plan to do some cardio after work. I am TIRED and would rather sleep in tomorrow, so I have to do cardio today.
Had another funky food reaction today - I'm thinking it was sweeteners in the light italian dressing? I think for whatever reason, I have hit my tolerance point on artificial sweeteners (which I rarely eat) - after the Nectar debacle... I don't feel AWFUL, but I do feel weird and have a mild version of the symptoms I had before, after eating the dressing at lunch today .
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Sorry to hear that you're getting worse as the day goes on. I am too. Darn stupid injuries!
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Sorry to hear about the injury. At least it wasn't from over training or something like that. Get some rest and get back at it when you feel better!
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How's the leg today?
Thanks guys! As noted above, feeling better and very brightly colored!
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I have heard you can develop allergies like this, but not intolerance like you have. I've heard of people having one bad experience/overdoing it with shellfish and then never being able to eat it again. I don't know that you can do that with protein, though, it's just not the same issue. I think it's just developing a lactose intolerance. Most of the over 35 population has developed an intolerance and it's no surprise that you're unable to eat more and more things. It sucks, but at least you're not allergic!
I know about the lactose stuff, but I was just wondering in general about building an intolerance to a specific food from eating it a lot...
I do know (see above) that I can't eat artificial sweeteners anymore - not worth it. Blurgh.
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Byts... Been thinking of you all evening. First of all gotta say that you are an extremely open minded and cool person. You will suceed because of this.
Aw... thanks!!!
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Secondly you seem to be doing all the right things based on your answers to my inquiries. In all my thinking I can only conclude one of two things.
1. You are either sneaking in extra calories somehow
2. Your metabolism is tanked
If 1, you just have to be ultra aware of your behaviours over the next time period. I caught myself the other day eating almonds from the bin at the grocery store. I always do that and rarely ever log it. Usually it is 4 or less but even so if I do that sort of thing frequently that could add up.
I don't know how you can test for 2 in an easy way. I think Leigh's books probably could help you with that.
I can't rule out option 1... it's something I've been trying to make a note of more lately and we'll see if it helps.
I also can't rule out 2 . I have Leigh's books, but honestly don't want to have to go through MRM if I don't really need it... maybe I do. I don't think I COULD do the rest part til after my belt test in November (and then, if I pass, I'll be starting to prepare for my black belt tests!!!) so -- it's all priorities, right?
One thing I've been pondering more is the athlete vs exerciser (posted somewhere on here, or at least linked somewhere around here!). I think if I focus on being stronger and ready for my belt tests, able to do more chinups, etc, that might be a better focus. I already started a little, by going on hikes with DH, biking - using my fitness to LIVE and enjoy life and time with friends and family instead of working out for the sake of it alone. Not that I don't enjoy exercising, but it will serve me better if it has a purpose. If I TRAIN instead of exercise, if I FUEL my body instead of starve it...
Where're the pictures of the fun-colored bruises? At least you get a decent story with yours and it wasn't entirely your fault. I break and dislocate things just by walking across the room.
Athlete vs. Exerciser was in the "MMA physique" thread. Far more fun to train for something specific (and easier to push yourself harder), which was part of what made me suggest he join an actual team. I've been thinking about this, too. Doing exercisey-type things that don't directly help my martial arts--however fun it might be to do--isn't really helping.
Where're the pictures of the fun-colored bruises? At least you get a decent story with yours and it wasn't entirely your fault. I break and dislocate things just by walking across the room.
LOL ok... It just doesn't look as impressive in a photo, but here ya' go... the most painful part is actually in the center where there's the least color, just above the bright purple part!
Oh yeah... I am an athlete at heart and have been most my life which is prolly why the whole recomp thing is possible and even not so painful for me overall. It is a matter of loving what you do no matter what it is that you do and making that thing work for you in the big picture.
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YIKES bytsi! That looks like it hurts like a motha
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LOL guys - seriously, I didn't think the pic looked that bad! Seems more impressive in person, but I can't figure out how to put my actual leg into a log
I tried to jog today, but it's still a bit too sore, so ended up doing 10 min incline walk, then hit the elliptical for another 20 min...
Ladies night tonight. New tactic. Ate dinner at home, have 200 kcal left... 2 choices:
1: Save 200 kcal for ladies night and try to behave
2: Eat a little more healthy food here and abstain from snackies when out
Hmmmmmmmmm...
I am torn. I haven't shown restraint in any great way in the past when I've left a few calories to snack on. But to go and not touch the food would be pretty tough too, methinks...
I REALLY want the scale to be down in the morning. I should just eat something filling at home and not eat there.
I did make a nice veggie plate, so I could just munch that if I feel the need to put something in my mouth... Usually there is so much GOOOOOOD stuff - shrimp, fruit, edamame (which are not bad unless I overeat them), and then tons of dips/crackers and desserts (which are VERY bad!).
I can do protein powder - just not Nectar . Do you think eating the same foods over and over made you sensitive to them? I love my "usual" foods and do eat many things on a regular basis. Sometimes I get sick of 'em and move to something else, but I'd hate to develop an intolerance due to frequency!
Thanks! Interesting that you lost while on rehab... it does make sense, provided your food intake overall was lower due to the lower activity. Hope your foot is better now.
Hey Bysti, I wish I knew what triggered my intolerances but it's more than a lactose intolerance. Leigh mentions rotating proteins in the FLTS. Normally I'd cut and paste it in your log, but since it's her e-book, just refer to the "high protein and your health" section on p. 18 of the book (on my Adobe Reader it's pg 23/147). She says protein intolerances/allergies aren't very common though, so hopefully your issues are more related to the sweeteners.
It sounds like you've been so focused. When you step on the scale in the morning, you won't regret eating mostly veggies tonight.
Just wanted to weigh in on the nectar debate... I found that if I drink too much of anything sweetened artificially I have a reaction. Sometimes it takes me a week, and sometimes a day or two. I was drinking LOTS of crystal light when I started my whole new way of eating, and I would get weird tinglies all over my body. In my head, my arms and chest. They were weird little traveling itchies...REALLY annoying. I also have the same reaction if I have equal...even if it's only one packet!!! I remember reading somewhere that your body stores the chemicals or something and you can only stand so much. I guess some are just more sensitive than others.
Bytsi, I'm glad your leg is on the mend. It's awful colorful!!
Thanks Pauline! I am taking my regularly scheduled rest day tomorrow, so hopefully it'll be ok for more cardio Friday or Saturday.
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refer to the "high protein and your health" section on p. 18 of the book (on my Adobe Reader it's pg 23/147). She says protein intolerances/allergies aren't very common though, so hopefully your issues are more related to the sweeteners.
It sounds like you've been so focused. When you step on the scale in the morning, you won't regret eating mostly veggies tonight.
Hope that bruise gets better!
Thanks Ceebee... I will re-read that section, but I'm leaning towards sweetener sensitivity....
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Just wanted to weigh in on the nectar debate... I found that if I drink too much of anything sweetened artificially I have a reaction. Sometimes it takes me a week, and sometimes a day or two. I was drinking LOTS of crystal light when I started my whole new way of eating, and I would get weird tinglies all over my body. In my head, my arms and chest. They were weird little traveling itchies...REALLY annoying. I also have the same reaction if I have equal...even if it's only one packet!!! I remember reading somewhere that your body stores the chemicals or something and you can only stand so much. I guess some are just more sensitive than others.
Anyway...DAYAM...that's one hell of a war scar!!!
Ugh on the sweeteners - yeah, I think I just hit my storage limit - that's what I was trying to remember before - I read that somewhere too - you hit a certain lifetime level and then WHAM you can't handle any more of that toxic crap in your body.... I used to not be sensitive, but maybe eating cleaner made me more sensitive to junk now?
Back from Ladies night... I did go about 100 kcal over for the day (1550-1600 is my educated guess) - but it was all good and I coulda been a LOT worse. I'm actually still hungry right now (prolly low on protein for the day since I had none at ladies nite, although my macros were good before I left). I ate veggies with a little bit of lite ranch dip, fruit (strawberries and pineapple and a few grapes), a TINY taste of this awsome pumpkin dip for the berries, and 5 small gingersnap cookies (I'd be ok on calories if I hadn't had 'em, but considering the other sugary goodies, I'm ok with it).
I did NOT eat: caramel cheesecake brownies (yes - that's right - top half caramel cheesecake, bottom half brownie), regular brownies, chocolate fudge cake, blueberry lemon crumble bars, pizza, artichoke dip on foccacia bread, crab dip, mixed nuts, and quite a few other delicious looking dips and things.
Ditto Anne! Thats quite the menu Sounds familiar though. I don't know if its regional or cultural, but with my in-laws everything revolves around food. Each meal is a huge production and never includes any thing that would be considered healthy. Most of my friends though are good about providing healthier snacks. Most.
That bruise looks familiar! I am a peach and my shins are pretty much always covered in some type of bruise. I usually will find a new one in the shower and never know where it comes from.
I'm with the rest of them - that's a pretty impressive bruise.
Oh, and your friends really need to start rethinking that ladies night menu. I understand wanting a fun night out, but sheesh.
Yeah... I wish they would! Sometimes there are healthier choices than others - no one brought shrimp or edamame this time . I brought the veggies - thank goodness!!!
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Ditto Anne! Thats quite the menu Sounds familiar though. I don't know if its regional or cultural, but with my in-laws everything revolves around food. Each meal is a huge production and never includes any thing that would be considered healthy. Most of my friends though are good about providing healthier snacks. Most.
That bruise looks familiar! I am a peach and my shins are pretty much always covered in some type of bruise. I usually will find a new one in the shower and never know where it comes from.
Bree, I ALWAYS have mystery bruises - at least I know where I got this one .
As for ladies night - it's all the women in our development, and they try to out-do each other with fancy desserts and dips and such... I don't try to impress - I either bring veggies or a bottle of wine (which I don't drink, but they sure can put it away!).
This morning.........
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143.5#
A new low for me by 1# !!!!
yes, it'll probably bounce, but it sure helps with the trending, and definitely reinforced me passing up the brownies and going to bed a little (lot?) hungry last night.
Today is a rest day, so I might try to keep the kcals a bit low (we'll see)...
The more I read about 6 meals vs 3 meals vs IF, I realize that I don't really need to eat every 2-3 hours. I can handle being a bit hungrier earlier in the day - that's just my natural tendency. I struggle in the evening regardless of how much I ate earlier, so I might as well refrain at the times when it's relatively easier. I'm not skipping breakfast or anything like that - just saving a little more kcals for when I know I will want them later in the day.
Today: scale back to 144.5. My recent lowest point again, but haven't broken under it yet.
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Sounds like a breakthrough is imminent! You've done so well so far - keep on tweaking, and I look forward to following your progress. How much more do you have to lose? Isn't it supposed to be harder as you get closer?
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You might realize that I am a fairly black/white person. (I know it's a hard one to imagine...) So in that light I basically pack everything I am going to eat for an entire day in my cooler. All of them are meals. There are no snacks. I don't eat unless I get balanced macros in the 200-400 cal range. That way my day is really easy. If it don't come from my cooler it don't go in my mouth. I don't know if this would be helpful or not to you but it really makes it simple for me to be compliant that way. 
. At the time, I didn't understand why I was losing but since coming to JP's, it makes sense. At the moment, I haven't figured out my personal balance of exercise and neat, but it's been an interesting journey. 
. Quite sore, and I am noticing a bit of a limp - feels kinda like I have a bad shin splint, only I know it's from the multiple contusions 
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