I cut my calories to 1600 and it's sad, because I have about 250 left for today and I'm still hungry and it's barely 6pm. Sigh...
I'm not sure what your daily menu is like, but try to make sure you are eating the RIGHT foods - you really can be NOT hungry on 1600 cals - IF you eat the right stuff!! Eat berries vs. bananas, lots of salads, get some good fats in there and lots of lean protein! For me, if I keep my protein at around 40%, and my fats around 30% I'm good!!
I don't think you should be shocked or sad that you are hungry. I think it means your metabolism is going faster than in the past when you ate less and that is a great thing! I totally know what you're saying - when I did weight watchers I would eat 1400 cals per day and not feel all that hungry. Now with this crazy awesome weight lifting I still get hungry with 2000 or more.
Thanks for the encouragement - part of me still struggles with "am I HUNGRY or just bored?" -- Right now, I know I am hungry - growling tummy... I want to trust myself to eat when hungry, but as a formerly fat person, it's hard...
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if you're cutting calories - would it be a huge deal to eat an additional 100 calories if you need a little something after dinner?
Probably wouldn't be a big deal... unless it turns into 200 or 300 or... ugh...
Dilly - I'll post my menu, but I AM getting at least 90% good food and my macros are close to 40/30/30 every day... I think my body wants more food, but I have issues with listening to it and trusting it. I've overeaten my way to fat in the past, and I'm afraid it could happen again.
Today: Breakfast was l/f whole-wheat eggo with pb on it
HIIT workout
Snack - Protein shake made w/ skim milk, pb, protein powder
lunch - whole-wheat pita w/ chicken breast & lite mayo, red pepper slices, cauliflower...
Snack - cottage cheese
dinner - hard-cooked egg (1), turkey tenderloins, sweet potato, 1 small square dark chocolate
I'm at 1500 cals with 38/31/31 macros... still debating my evening snack choices...
Jane - I know the m&m's aren't a great choice... but I do love my small treat after dinner... I don't do it EVERY night... . I'm working on finding a balance between nutrition and feeling completely deprived... and I've come a LONG way (but I know I'm also not "there" yet).
LisaC - thanks for the encouragement. The youtube link I posted is much slower than the way I do that kata - it was the only version I could find with the guy doing a decent horse-stance though - the other versions I saw on youtube were done standing almost upright - NOT the way our school teaches it. If I did it that high up, I'd be laughed right out of the dojo . My Sensei is always on my case about getting my stances deeper - calls me taekwondo woman (and that's NOT a compliment, coming from him!!!)
It was in LisaC's log (or maybe Ledove's???) -- just a guy on youtube doing a karate kata that is the one I just learned (although he does it much slower in his style than I do)...
Still having a rough time with food here... wish I could see the future and know how many calories / macros are right for me!!!!
Just completely random – but something small that makes me full every time is a hard boiled egg. Of course, I can plow through 3-4, but in the times I have eaten just one I have felt full for a good 2 hours – or at least haven’t though about eating for that amount of time. Do you ever eat them?
I've been freezing Myoplex Lite Chocolate Fudge ready-to-drinks. I set one out on the counter during dinner and wehn I'm hungry again a few hours later, it's at th perfect slushy consistency. It takes a while to eat, so I feel pretty satisfied.
I like HB eggs, too, but not at night. Weird, huh?
Another nighttime fave is a Luna Nutz Over Chocolate bar. I do this rarely, cuz they are a bit higher in cals. But, still a healthier choice than some, with plenty of protein.
Chocolate seems to be what I crave at night!
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Thanks Tess & Sally - I do eat hb eggs - had one last night, probably will again tonight... I had an "issue" boiling them earlier this week (UGH! - let's just say I tried to kill my family with gas fumes ) and there's one left for tonight... Not sure it's worth the risk of death to make another batch though .
I've just gotta work on this... I don't think being THIS hungry is good for me or for building muscle... I dunno... I'm getting a lot of conflicting food for thought (pun intended?) on the training message board... trying to integrate it all (SS or HIIT or both... caloric deficit or feed the muscle or somewhere in the middle or ??????)
Hmmmm..... I think something is definatly amiss here. Do you have a food scale and do you weigh your food? I know that before I got my scal I was grossly over estimating my foods in many cases. You may be doing the same thing.
It was in LisaC's log (or maybe Ledove's???) -- just a guy on youtube doing a karate kata that is the one I just learned (although he does it much slower in his style than I do)...
Battle Royale in Lisa's log
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I had an "issue" boiling them earlier this week (UGH! - let's just say I tried to kill my family with gas fumes ) and there's one left for tonight... Not sure it's worth the risk of death to make another batch though .
Did the eggs explode, too? Apparently they do that if you let all the water boil off. Oops. Not that I know that from experience or anything...
I think it's an inexact sceince at best, and a creative art at best. We've just got to keep working.
It'll come.
Thanks... yes, I think it's figuring out the balance. We have a body gem at work that measures RMR - I'm trying to get a chance to use it on myself...
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Do you have a food scale and do you weigh your food? I know that before I got my scal I was grossly over estimating my foods in many cases. You may be doing the same thing.
I do measure some, but not all, of my food. I count out things like 12 almonds too, instead of "a handful"... and I buy prepackaged when I can (yogurt, cottage cheese...) because I know it's exact. I should try being really strict with it and see if I can catch myself super-sizing...
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Also ditch the ratios. Ratios don't mean much.
Shoot for:
1 gram per lb of body weight in protein
10 kcals per lb of body weight
Fill in the rest from healthy fats and carbs (you won't have much left over).
If that doesn't get the weight dropping, not much will.
Ditch the ratios? Really? Because I've been trying to increase my fat (When I started logging and checking macros, my fat was usually around 15%). I do get about 150g protein/day... Do you suggest 10kcal/# goal weight or current body weight? That seems low, though, for someone who is doing these workouts (NROL4W) and wants to be around 130-140#... ??? Seems like going back to where I was stalled-out - struggling to stay under 1400 kcal/day and starving and all that other crap...
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Did the eggs explode, too? Apparently they do that if you let all the water boil off. Oops. Not that I know that from experience or anything...
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Put 'em in cold water
Cook 'em till they bump.
Simmer for 12 minutes,
Peel 'em with a thump.
Uhhh... well... seems I put them in when it was already boiling (oops!) and so they, of course, exploded upon contact with the water. In the process of containing the mess, somehow the flame was turned off - but not the gas. Yikes! So then I left my eggs sitting in water with gas but no flame... the only thing that saved us was that I have this egg-timer thingy that floats in the water and turns colors to show the eggs are done. It didn't change color - that's how I noticed the flame was off and ran to open all the windows!!! If I hadn't had it in there, I'd probably have cooled off and cracked a buncha raw eggs before I figured it out
Love the poem - I think I'd better memorize it!!!
That recommendation was a blanket recommendation for a diet to drop fat off. You'd obviously have to adjust your activity level accordingly
10xBW is ~BMR, give or take. 10-12xBW is usually the range given for fat loss in most people. Some have to go lower, but if you're reasonably active then anything under 12 will be about right.
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That recommendation was a blanket recommendation for a diet to drop fat off. You'd obviously have to adjust your activity level accordingly
10xBW is ~BMR, give or take. 10-12xBW is usually the range given for fat loss in most people. Some have to go lower, but if you're reasonably active then anything under 12 will be about right.
Thanks - now I understand what you were getting at...
So... today I went to try-out some of the exercises for Sunday (when I plan to start Stage 2 of NROL4W). Front-squat push-press is gonna be interesting... I started with a 20# barbell and it was way easy, so I tried an empty Oly bar. OUCH wrists!!! I don't think the weight was too heavy (or even really "enough") but that's gonna take some work... Anyone ever feel like the bar was kinda against the bottom of your throat too?
The rest was ok... Cuban db snatches SUCK (cuz my shoulder is sore) and I did 8# db's and actually dropped to 5#'s... I didn't do full sets on anything - just enough to figure out starting weights
Then I did about 20 min. on a Pilates reformer (free demo at work). FUN!!!!! I signed up for a 30-min private session on Monday... I want to focus on the flexibility stuff, but it was so cool
I'm still mulling it all over, but I'm aiming again today for 150g protein, whole-grain & unprocessed carbs, healthy fats, around 1600 kcal (give or take a few)... we'll see... I did pretty well yesterday with it, although I was hungry.
1 gram per lb of body weight in protein
10 kcals per lb of body weight
Fill in the rest from healthy fats and carbs (you won't have much left over).
If that doesn't get the weight dropping, not much will.
I knew the whole ratio thing was too much effort!
Honestly, Byts, this ^ is all I do lately: eat mostly lean protein, throw in some greens and THEN eat a bit of the stuff I crave most: baker or sweet potato, my new favortie soy chips... which gets me my carbs and fat.
I just don't have the time - or feel the need - to log everything. Maybe if I work this hard for another 6 months and don't see some physical changes, I'll change my tune.
Hey, Maybe I'll start Stage 2 Monday so we can workout together?
Jealous about your Pilates; I KNOW that's gotta be cool!
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I just don't have the time - or feel the need - to log everything. Maybe if I work this hard for another 6 months and don't see some physical changes, I'll change my tune.
Hey, Maybe I'll start Stage 2 Monday so we can workout together?
Jealous about your Pilates; I KNOW that's gotta be cool!
Hey Sally - I feel better when I log. I love DailyPlate - I can do it at work and at home... after more than 10 years of being food-aware and logging and journaling, I just know that I do better when I'm aware and accountable (to me and to others like this board)... I have taken breaks from logging food in the past (for months at a time), but for me, it works best.
I'd love to work out "with" you - might be a bit of a drive for you to come here though -- Seriously, though, it'll be nice to have a few people at the same stage doing the same workouts...
I'm EXCITED to do the Pilates. After two "trial" lessons (only about 15 minutes each, maybe?) I was sweaty from the effort of keeping a strong core and moving slowly and staying all aligned and balanced through everything - it was SO COOL . Plus, since I'm terrible about taking time to work on flexibility, this should be a good way to add it in... I've always wanted to try a Reformer, but never really had the opportunity before.
Today I did plyos (semi-HIIT) -- took longer breaks between sets than I normally do, but I was just kinda sluggish and not feeling energetic for some reason... Did all kinds of shuffles, some speed-ladder work, box jumps, suicides and finished with one set of burpees... Better than nothing, right? I may give in and do a SS cardio tomorrow, then on to Stage 2 on Sunday - WHOO HOOO!!!
look, I changed my headline under my avatar to match....hahaha yours just cracked me up so much I HAD to copy! Take it as flattery!
I am on the search for a new avatar....this cake is pretty MEAN looking....not really me at all--LOL!
Just made me think of it as a tribute to Britny Spears! hahahaha
Will you tell that to my teenage daughter? She finds me SO embarrassing to be around .
Actually, if you saw me DOING the plyos, you might reconsider. Not a pretty picture. I'm not known for my grace.
Actually... Nik... maybe I should make that ("I'm not known for my grace") my new tagline
So... today... don't ask about the food. Let's just say tomorrow is another day and leave it at that, ok? Started with three bosses at work (but not the mean one) cooking pancakes for the employees this morning as a "treat" and I wasn't gonna eat one, but everyone else was... and then I did (but only 1, and no syrup on it). Then I tried to get back on track, but overall I was way over on my calories... ugh. Bad Bytsi!!!
... just gonna dust off my big fat butt and start again tomorrow morning...
Hey don't feel bad about one pancake! I am the same - if other people are eating, I have to pull my own food out of my stash and be eating something too. Just not eating is usually not an option.
Ya, you get a free pass on that one Bytsi.....you wouldn't want to appear RUDE and not eat what was slaved over and made for you I can see how (as a gesture) you would want to partake in that hehe
Nik~
Leah, Nik & Sally... you are so sweet... it wasn't JUST the darn pancake though - it led to other dumb choices... let's just say the pack of Mentos mints (240 cals of pure sugar) didn't just jump into my purse and then my mouth at the movies last night... and the smell of popcorn as we left didn't FORCE me to make a microwave popcorn (another 210 cals) after we got home. ARGH!!!!!!!!! I was almost ok for the day, but for those 450 cals of CRAP and empty calories. That's a lotta junk. ugh.
Today...
I started Stage 2 (workout 1A). Ow. That was tough. I didn't feel particularly strong or refreshed after my week off lifting either...
Front squat push press -- Can I just say WTF!?!? 2/10 with a 40# preloaded barbell. My wrists hurt bad, barely finished. But just as much, if felt like the bar was on my throat for the squat part and that was very uncomfortable! I was looking in the mirror, trying to keep elbows out, arms at right angle to my body, roll the bar onto fingertips... tried moving pinkies out of the way but not really helping... I read and reread all about the form for this move, but I did NOT like it. I was shoulder pressing 70#, and barely survived 40# with this move because of the wrist and throat discomfort ... I think I'm gonna post on the NROLW board about it...
Step-ups -- 2/10 @ 50#. I did 3/8 with 50# (2x25# db's) in Stage 1, but never did 10 straight, so I consider it a PR of sorts... although I don't believe a 3rd set would've been possible!
1-point Row -- Now this was fun!!! 2/10 @60# (2x30# db's). Wobbly, had to put my foot down a few times, but fun! Gonna increase to 70# next time...
Static Lunge rear foot elevated -- Ow. Felt that, especially after the dang step-ups. 2/10 @ 30# (2x15# db's).
Pushups -- 2/10 "walking" my hands across a step. I may have to go to 12, or else I was thinking of putting my feet on the bench when I do this next time...
Plank -- Not my finest moment . 1 x 60 seconds, 1 x 40/20 seconds (about 10 sec break in the middle). I was quivering... ugh...
Horizontal Wood chop -- 2x10 @ 50#. Took a lot of focus to not use my shoulders and "muscle" it across. Partly cuz our cable only has high or low (no middle height). I put it on high and just kept my hands level and around mid-body height and it seemed to work ok. Definitely hit my obliques and core... Going to 60# next time.
I briefly considered HIIT after but didn't... probably a good idea. I'm dead, shaky... just sitting and chugged down my PWO shake... that one got me good!
Front squat push press -- Can I just say WTF!?!? 2/10 with a 40# preloaded barbell. My wrists hurt bad, barely finished. But just as much, if felt like the bar was on my throat for the squat part and that was very uncomfortable! I was looking in the mirror, trying to keep elbows out, arms at right angle to my body, roll the bar onto fingertips... tried moving pinkies out of the way but not really helping... I read and reread all about the form for this move, but I did NOT like it. I was shoulder pressing 70#, and barely survived 40# with this move because of the wrist and throat discomfort ... I think I'm gonna post on the NROLW board about it...
I totally agree with you here and I really hate these for all the reasons you listed. I got through them in stage 2 and now they're back for stage 4 and I still can't stand them . I'll be looking for your post in the NROLW board to see if there are answers or acceptable substitutes.
I just wanted to pop in and say I'm reading your log and you're doing so well with your workouts and journaling, working with your foods and logs, etc !
The FSPP hurt my wrists in the beginning, too, but I kept playing with it and finally found a comfortable position. I ended up placing my hands further back on my shoulders so that the bar wasn't pulling on my fingers quite so much. I don't even know how to explain it right but, once I got that, it was okay. Now if I could just get better at the transitioning from squat-finger part to press-palm part.
Hey Bytsi, just a random thought. You have been logging and doing this for so long. Are you getting tired?
I backed down a couple of weeks, not over doing the cals but eating things here and there, read pancakes and stuff. I don't like to feel deprived too much, I know if you are hungry that that is a symptom of fatloss, but if it is causing you to want more, maybe a break for a couple of days and get it out of your system?
I dunno, just a ramble. I get so tired of macros, weighing, this and that. I made a template of meals. I need more templates, so I can just do it and swap when I feel like it.
I was told when I said I can't get in all the protein, read 250 g, yeeooowww, up my fats, not my carbs. It does make me feel like I can stay on it better. Not so deprived.
Have no clue what you're talking about since I haven't started Stage 2 yet, but I'm not too far behind!!
I know what you mean about junk calories...there just lurking around waiting to snag us. I call them calorie landmines!
I changed a couple things in my workouts this week - form issues and I think it's helping. I did find a low bench to step up on. I may use a step with lots of risers next time to get it just the right height for my knee to be perpendicular.
. I'm working on finding a balance between nutrition and feeling completely deprived... and I've come a LONG way (but I know I'm also not "there" yet).
. My Sensei is always on my case about getting my stances deeper - calls me taekwondo woman (and that's NOT a compliment, coming from him!!!) 
) and there's one left for tonight... Not sure it's worth the risk of death to make another batch though 
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