Seriously, I'm always hungry. It's not gnaw my arm off hunger, but just a low grade feeling of 'I could eat'. Even when doing 40% protein I was the same, but seriously craving anything but protein.
Yup... me too.
Sometimes I definitely could gnaw my arm off, but I'm rarely NOT hungry at some level...
I'm glad to hear the raccoons are still in residence. I've been rooting for them.
I understand the frustration of re-gaining and then working to re-lose. I ate my way up a little bit and now I'm working on the downward slope again. What I've been telling myself is that down on the ground in the thick of daily life there are going to be bumps and progress is never smooth. It's only from a big distance, judged a season or a year at a time, that progress looks smooth and continuous.
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Am so glad about the raccoon. Despite the fact they are a 'pest' animal , they are so cute.. (too bad for animals that aren't cute looking).
As for Etana's Q & advice as well as your answer, that was an awesome interaction to read. If you can make a diet easier & more comfortable to adhere to, with the same results.. hey that would be even better.
So in that sense, it was great to see Etana jump in and give advice. However, the reason why it was a good read is that Anne's anser shows how different we are.. and yet, similar.
It's really different strokes for different folks. A diet that works for YOU long-term is the right diet, unless it's an everyday struggle to 'stay on the right path'.
In theory, a higher protein diet would work wonders because of the higher satiety level.. but in reality it makes for a very boring diet/lifestyle, and sooner or later we start craving for the very things we can't eat because of the high protein intake, even though you shouldn't be as hungry on it.
When we crave things too much and the journey is still a long one, it's easy to say 'screw it'. (At least it is for me..).
What really blows my mind is that you and many others say you're always having a low-grade hunger. It must be that the feedback from my own body re hunger is just not getting through, as what I see other people describe as hunger is just an annoying occurrence (like a rumbling stomach). A hypo would also be annoying but for a long time I'd not recognize it as a 'you must eat signal either'.
One of the other things I've noticed is that you really prefer the 3 meals plus 3 snacks method over just 3 meals. Saw you comment on this specifically a number of times.
For various reasons smaller meals never worked for me while midday fasting (skipping lunch) has been my biggest discovery. Again, a totally different experience of what makes for comfortable dieting.
Fruit is another totally crazy factor. Most women do very well on a diet that has a higher fruit intake (minus the high glycemic stuff), but some people get crazy hungry upon eating fruit. That's mostly those of us who do ketogenic diets, that's something I always use for appetite control.
I command you for getting the diet to work for her in the way she likes it best.. sure there may be things that would make it work even better, but I'm sure you'd have tried variations already.
MariAnnne Andersson AKA Built wrote in her blog about finding the 'right' diet and much of what she wrote I'm repeating here. She had the problem of always being hungry and found ways to deal with it. One of the factors we both share is that we are gluten intolerant and get crazy hungry from glutinous foods. (for me actually 2 out of 3 times I go on a binge, it's after cheating with cheese or dairy but that's mostly because of avoiding gluten like the plague)
Here's her write up : http://builtblog.wikidbody.com/2009/...food-for-life/
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Yup... me too.
Sometimes I definitely could gnaw my arm off, but I'm rarely NOT hungry at some level...
That's why I split up my meals a lot. Today for example I split my morning snack into two portions, ate my apple about 30 mins after I had my lunch, and always eat my salad a good half hour after dinner. Since I'm going to be hungry, there might as well be something to eat.
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I'm glad to hear the raccoons are still in residence. I've been rooting for them.
Me too
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Am so glad about the raccoon. Despite the fact they are a 'pest' animal , they are so cute.. (too bad for animals that aren't cute looking).
As my neighbour across the street said - it could have been skunks! Although they're pretty cute as well. We saw rabbits on the morning walk as well this morning. Although that just makes me remember a sweet looking cat that really liked rabbits (in pieces).
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What really blows my mind is that you and many others say you're always having a low-grade hunger. It must be that the feedback from my own body re hunger is just not getting through, as what I see other people describe as hunger is just an annoying occurrence (like a rumbling stomach). A hypo would also be annoying but for a long time I'd not recognize it as a 'you must eat signal either'.
I'm serious when I say that I think I have screwed up hunger signals. Even when overeating, I'm rarely full. Oh, I know that carbs can simply cause you to eat more, but I can do the same with a big old pile of meat.
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One of the other things I've noticed is that you really prefer the 3 meals plus 3 snacks method over just 3 meals. Saw you comment on this specifically a number of times.
For various reasons smaller meals never worked for me while midday fasting (skipping lunch) has been my biggest discovery. Again, a totally different experience of what makes for comfortable dieting.
Yep, in fact as I said to Bytsi, it's not usual for me to eat more like 8 times during the day.
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Fruit is another totally crazy factor. Most women do very well on a diet that has a higher fruit intake (minus the high glycemic stuff), but some people get crazy hungry upon eating fruit. That's mostly those of us who do ketogenic diets, that's something I always use for appetite control.
Mmmm fruit! My mother is pretty much the same as me. Last summer I canned up 28 quarts (some litres) of sour cherries and 28 pints (some half litres) of sweet cherries, and maybe 24 quarts of peaches. We're down to 4 jars of cherries (2 of each) and I've had to buy commercial canned peaches as we're out. Now, on top of that we both usually have citrus fruit in the morning and an apple at lunch. My mother will eat the fruit salad or buy a big 4lb box of grapes from Costco and eat those for a while.
Thanks for the link. It's definitely an interesting read. I think that's the main thing that I've found as I go along is that I've really only found what works for me.
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Awwwwww
They are really quite sweet, aren't they?
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Mind you, I'm a fruit lover too.. just too bad I'm loving candy even more , despite knowing fruit is both more satiating and healthier
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I can stay away from candy for a long time. I couldn't skip fruit for more than a day. Although don't get me wrong, if there was candy here I could go for some. Or combining the two - chocolate covered fruit.
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Okay, so another kind of usual day. A walk in the morning, followed by (thankfully) sawing up the last of the trees. We had a swim before lunch (@1pm) which again, was the best part of the day. I also pulled the surrounding edging from the veggie patch and raised it up. Kind of started that before the swim and then finished it up in the afternoon, as well as turned the soil in the patch. It was funny, but while we were swimming, both cats had to inspect the dirt, the trench, the edging that had been taken out. Gus is a lightweight when it comes to curiousity. His brother spent about three times as long inspecting the site.
It's raining a bit at the moment, so if it continues in the morning I'll just use the treadmill for a bit. We'll see though, as the plan was to go down to the lakeshore for a change in scenery.
Mentally I'm running my female friends through my head and not really finding anyone that I would turn to. A few don't dress poorly, just not my taste. I think that's changed a lot over the last decade as I went into the automotive field. To begin with, there aren't a lot of women in it (other than admin staff), and they tend to wear 'serviceable' clothing to work. And at the moment I'm surrounded by guys at school. I actually feel a little isolated sometimes as I have more casual friends that I see now and then. Made worse by the fact that I'm not working and have little money to go out and be social.
Took me a while to get back here, but I see what you're saying. I don't have the same style as most people I know either, but I have the one very nice and honest friend who points out stuff I would choose and knows what looks nice on me.
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Bah, I'm making it sound worse than it is. I admit that I tend to be a bit of a loner at times. People who know me well would think I'm joking when I say that I tend to be shy. However, if they think back to when they met me, I do tend to hold back a fair bit.
Nothing wrong with being a loner . I have the same tendency. Lots of people have said I'm outgoing, too, but kind of like you, if they'd think back, they'd remember that I didn't start out that way. (Even on here, I look at the logs I've posted in and they are the ones who posted to me first. I'm just not good at branching out.)
Interesting discussions here all around. On the hunger front don't have any advice but just wanted to say wow it just makes me admire all you've accomplished that much more. You don't complain much you just do it for the most part. I've noticed that when you fall off the program you tend to do it with a bang. Not a criticism at all. But if falling off the wagon is a reflection of how you feel while in a deficit it just makes me say wow all you've accomplished is absolutely amazing. Most people would have thrown in the towel long ago.
Cute raccoons. My mother in law leaves food out all day for her dogs and cats. A few years back a skunk started coming in to the house through the doggie door at night to get the food. She had a very expensive cleaning bill to get rid of the odor. It's terrible but also funny. I still laugh whenever I think about it.
I'm also very much a loner too so can relate there. I'd rather sit down with a book or do some sewing than to go to a party.
(Even on here, I look at the logs I've posted in and they are the ones who posted to me first. I'm just not good at branching out.)
Wow then, it's amazing that you and I even crossed paths here. I think I was kind of the same way here as well. Although I think once I was in the challenges I did try and post in their logs as well. Mostly though at times it's because I feel I have nothing to add.
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oh my goodness they are adorable u have to keep them now
Not keeping them! The agreement is that they can stay until they're mobile and able to go out foraging with mama. At that point they're not going to be staying here. We'd like to clean out the shed, and not to set up a raccoon hotel. However, yes, they are adorable.
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Interesting discussions here all around. On the hunger front don't have any advice but just wanted to say wow it just makes me admire all you've accomplished that much more. You don't complain much you just do it for the most part. I've noticed that when you fall off the program you tend to do it with a bang. Not a criticism at all. But if falling off the wagon is a reflection of how you feel while in a deficit it just makes me say wow all you've accomplished is absolutely amazing. Most people would have thrown in the towel long ago.
No, it's a valid point. I don't seem to slide back into bad habits, I seem to jump into them full force. I'm not sharing until Sunday, but I'm honestly staggered by how much I'm up (even though it is coming down faster than it should). It may even take a few more weeks until I know what the actual weight is. However, it may be months before I'm back to where I was before. And yet, looking back, I don't think I could possibly have eaten (and drank) that much.
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Oh. my. Gawd. They are sooooooo stinking cute! Thank you for posting this!
I can't resist checking on them periodically. I tell myself that it's to make sure they're still here, since if they are gone we need to stop them from coming back. However, I will admit it's partially because they're so cute! We seem to be surrounded by wildlife this spring. There seems to be a lot of rabbits around as well.
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I did get a workout in this afternoon as well, I need to go do something first... so I may not post it until later on.
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From earlier: I started with 15 mins of a warm-up, mainly just walking (a small amount of jogging) in circles around the pool. Then I did workout A2 from Stage 1 of NROL4W.
The workout was okay, but I'm just not loving it like I did the first time. It's not easy, but I'm just not enthusiastic about it. It could be that I'm annoyed that I feel I'm so out of shape after such a short time. I'll give it some time though, but might go back to Power Training, or give something else a shot (have an idea about that).
We did our morning walk down by the lakeshore today. It was a nice change and we'll probably do something like that once or twice a week. The walk was a little longer, and I left my mother back at the truck and made it up to 40 mins. I ended up making myself a cooked breakfast as it was about 10am by the time I got to it. Then I spent the rest of the day doing housework, yardwork, and can't think of much else. Tomorrow we'll be doing the shopping day from hell. Four stores, then Costco.... followed by another three and maybe a haircut. Oh well, better to waste one entire day on it I suppose.
Well, it's only been seven days, but it looks like mama raccoon has decided that we're not good neighbours and she's taken her family and moved out. I was pretty sure she was gone last night, but this morning I took a flashlight and double-checked under the cupboards the kits had sometimes been hiding under. None, living or dead. I was especially concerned about that last part as it was possible that one had died (or wasn't going to make it) and that she had left it behind. So I've temporarily blocked their access, but think in the end it needs either a heavier gage wire or a board on the bottom of the door. But between the wire and a few things I've placed behind it I'm fairly comfortable that she won't get back in.
I'm actually a little sad that they're gone, but it really was for the best. I don't think she realised how noisy the area was, and I'm not sure she was all that happy with us continually looking at her. The flash photography was probably a no-no, but I did do that when she was away.
Oh well, off to work in the back and maybe have a swim. We did the shopping rounds from hell this morning (my mother and I, although not always going into each store).
Metro grocery (to pick up prescription called in Sunday - not ready)
Popeye's (lysine for the cats)
Deli (rolls for my mother)
Hearing aid place (piece for my mother's hearing aid)
Sobey's grocery (a few vegetables, but mainly for kielbasa for my gumbo)
Costco (the usual stuff)
home (only to unload)
Beer store (to take back green bottles that don't go in the recycling)
Fortino's (for a case of sparkling water for my mother)
Pet place (running low, don't want to run out)
Pharmacy (different one, hair colour about 1/3 off)
Bulk store (soy flour)
Supercuts (cheap hair cut)
Garden center (tomatoes/peppers - will be under plastic - too early for anything else)
Metro grocery (to get prescription that should have been ready earlier)
home (finished)
The thing is, everything is really within a decent distance. It still takes time though - about 3 hours. Of course, in my case, I'm not planning to go out again (unless I get work) for at least a couple of weeks. And then it will likely be to the garden center(s).
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Metro grocery (to pick up prescription called in Sunday - not ready)
Popeye's (lysine for the cats)
Deli (rolls for my mother)
Hearing aid place (piece for my mother's hearing aid)
Sobey's grocery (a few vegetables, but mainly for kielbasa for my gumbo)
Costco (the usual stuff)
home (only to unload)
Beer store (to take back green bottles that don't go in the recycling)
Fortino's (for a case of sparkling water for my mother) Pet place (running low, don't want to run out) Pharmacy (different one, hair colour about 1/3 off)
Bulk store (soy flour)
Supercuts (cheap hair cut)
Garden center (tomatoes/peppers - will be under plastic - too early for anything else)
Metro grocery (to get prescription that should have been ready earlier)
Too bad for us since we're bereft of entertainment, but it was in their own best interest (grammar?) to leave..
LOL'd @ the running low on pets.
Is that Popeye's place a nation-wide store on supps? The guy I chatted with in my previous gym who turned out to be a Canadian, wore a t-shirt from them: thought it was a local thing.
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Is that Popeye's place a nation-wide store on supps? The guy I chatted with in my previous gym who turned out to be a Canadian, wore a t-shirt from them: thought it was a local thing.
It's a growing chain here, up to around 60 stores. The one in our down opened late last year, and it's so convenient to get to (compared to GNC). Having said that, I don't buy much at it. Lysine for the cats, and when I'm out probably oregano oil for me. I get most of my protein powder free or low cost from a friend, and I bought a 25-lb bag from True Protein recently as fill-in (I don't want to take advantage of my friend's son, so I mainly use theirs for PWO). I admit that I purchase pretty much anything else at Costco. It's cheaper.
As it happens I was one of the first 50 customers yesterday (it was a sale) and ended up with a goodie bag. The sad thing is that there's little that would convince me to go back and buy more. There were some carb-loaded energy drinks, a number of different packets of powder (most but not all higher carb than I would chose since I usually add fruit post-workout). Oh, and a t-shirt that likely won't fit me or my mother.
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Perv!
I know
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I completely zonked out last night. I was doing a combination of watching television and working at the computer. About 10:30 I was so tired I could barely think straight so I just decided to go to bed. I even recognized that I hadn't posted yesterday's meals, but it really didn't matter. The annoying thing is that the damn cat seems to know how to tell time. Mon-Fri I've been getting up at 7:30, feeding them, then going out for a walk. This morning at exactly 7:30 Gus came a meowing and crying for me to get up. I ignored him, but I don't think I slept much more than that.
So I did a 40-min walk with my mother in the morning (well, 32 mins with her, another 8 on my own), and had the major shopping day. Also, a little work in the yard (mainly raccoon clean-up and raccoon-proofing the shed), and a quick swim in the later afternoon. The one thing is that I did get it my fixins for gumbo, so I'll likely make it today. The weather is supposed to suck, so it's a good thing to do on a rainy Saturday. That's the one thing about the tracking though. I know if I want to have it tonight I'll have to get it done early enough to let it cool and divide it up. So, I may put it on the menu for Sunday dinner. I'll probably go through NROL as well to see if I continue on with NROL4W on Sunday or jump to something else. I suspect it will be something else. I don't want to use the word bored, but I think I'm in the mood for something new.
Well, it's only been seven days, but it looks like mama raccoon has decided that we're not good neighbours and she's taken her family and moved out. I was pretty sure she was gone last night, but this morning I took a flashlight and double-checked under the cupboards the kits had sometimes been hiding under. None, living or dead. I was especially concerned about that last part as it was possible that one had died (or wasn't going to make it) and that she had left it behind. So I've temporarily blocked their access, but think in the end it needs either a heavier gage wire or a board on the bottom of the door. But between the wire and a few things I've placed behind it I'm fairly comfortable that she won't get back in.
shucks, I have been popping in here for my animal soap fix. but I guess for mama racoon and kits it was th bets decision
if I do a search near the beginning of your journal did you put the recpe for your zucchini cake?i
The snack cake just has a few more fiddles, which I think are final (but you never know). It has more soy flour, no whole wheat flour, one less egg, a little more applesauce, sunflower seeds instead of pecans (less an ounce), and an ounce less dried cherries.... ummm, okay, lots of changes. I should add it to the recipes list when I make it the next time. Both are good, but I just love tweaking the recipes until I get what I want. The snack cake is made in a 9x13 pan, and is a little moister. The bread is better toasted with a little jam on it.
Here you go
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The baking recipes are pretty consistent, but I notice some of the soup recipes I boosted with a little more protein the last time I made them. That was to make them a better lunch substitute for me. Of course, with soup, I always feel that a recipe is a starting place.
(PM'd as well)
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YUM! And I am glad mama took the babies somewhere else. Hopefully, wherever it is - if there are humans around they are compassionate, like you. I will admit to missing updates on them, LOL.
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, despite knowing fruit is both more satiating and healthier 
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