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Old 07-10-2008, 08:33 PM   #571 (permalink)
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Eh I used regular milk and not evaporated skim. HOpefully that won't make much of a difference.

1/12 - 118 calories
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1/16 - 88 calories
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Eh I used regular milk and not evaporated skim. HOpefully that won't make much of a difference.
To the finished product, no. I only use evap skim milk because it's the only thing we ever have in the house. I rarely take coffee, and my mother who does, drinks it black. This is something we have to really pay attention to when people come to visit. I just switched it to 2% and it added 5 calories to the total, not the serving.
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Whoops. Made mine with whole wheat flour.... gives it a gingerbread like texture
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Nice maintain week reports. It seems like you are having a great time and doing exactly as you are trying to do. I am also glad to see your BF trend report. I am sure this will continue on the slide.
I'm finally seeing some change in it. It bounced around a bit at the start but now I can see the trend, and it is down. I actually saw a new number this morning. This doesn't make sense during a week I'm not working out and my weight isn't changing. That's why I do think that the whole thing is flawed. For now though I think I'll look at maybe a monthly average and compare them. I thought for the challenge I would do that (start with July's average) and recalculate each month.

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I do have to admit that now I am in a healthy weight I judge overweight people a lot more than when I was overweight myself. Everywhere I look I now see people who carry extra body weight. Some of them huge amounts. I have emotions now that I did not have before about that. Perhaps it is that I just notice it more and feel compasion and pity for those who have so much to carry around. I want to reach out and help them all and show them what we are doing here to help ourselves. Before I was pretty oblivious to it.
I'm the same, but remember, I'm one of those people with huge amounts to lose. We don't know the point that each individual is at. I know I've become very judgmental when reading some of the blogs/posts on the diet boards. I mean really, get rid of the lean cuisines and 100-cal junk food packs. You can't eat that way forever.

I can't think of any meal I make for myself that I wouldn't serve to company. In fact the pork tenderloin dish I make (three ingredient marinade) was a big hit a couple of weeks ago at lunch. I've served the chicken dish I had tonight to more than one dinner guest. This is what I think a lot of dieters don't get. You can make really good food, which means you don't need to cook two different dinners (for spouse and kids). The only difference when I do them for company is to add a little pasta and/or potato to them (and then don't take that myself, or take a smaller portion and a spoonful).

I also want to shake the 300-lb + women and tell then that they don't need to eat 1200 calories AND work out to lose weight. I saw one woman tonight (higher than my start weight) with medical problems and her doctor has suggested an 800 calorie a day diet. I didn't respond because I don't know her full medical history, but I truly wonder if that's safe.

I mean, what this week has taught me is that I'm pretty much holding steady eating 3000 calories a day. So I could eat ~ 2000 calories (without the cardio and lifting) and still likely maintain the 2 lb a week loss. Now, I'm doing both the cardio and lifting for different reasons (stamina and strength) so I don't plan to stop them.

Oops, I wandered off track. I was going to mention that I still occasionally look at other women when I'm out and wonder if I'm as heavy as they are (or if I'm finally not the biggest person in the room). I suspect I'm still heavier, but I appear more fit. I say that watching how they walk (slowly, like I used to) and know that I have a strong stride most days. I have noticed since I started the weight loss (the first time) that I am more aware of other people's sizes. And that the weight of the population of both Canada and the US does seem to be increasing overall. Maybe it's just an observation because I'm more aware of it. I ended up (for the first time) in our local WalMart the other day and I was going to wander into the clothing department. I've bought clothing online for so long that I really don't know what sizes are sold in the local stores. I'm that out of touch with what's available.
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Whoops. Made mine with whole wheat flour.... gives it a gingerbread like texture
I know I specifically put all-purpose flour in the recipe.

I do bake bread with a combination of flours, but I was going for the light cake texture so I stuck with plain old white flour. When I'm making it for just me I was planning to try some combination of white, whole wheat or even oats whizzed up in the blender to make oat flour. You should probably add (too late) wheat gluten to get a better rise.

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I've had WW in the house so long I didn't think any thing about it. It's not bad though.

I wonder if the sweet potatoes are done on the grill yet. I need to exercise. yet tonight
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I've had WW in the house so long I didn't think any thing about it. It's not bad though.

I wonder if the sweet potatoes are done on the grill yet. I need to exercise. yet tonight
My mother bakes oatmeal scones and yogurt scones for herself, and she's a white flour kind of gal. Considering she's 80, ~120 lbs, quite healthy, eats ~1800 to 2000 cals a day, and doesn't gain weight - I don't think I'll convince her to give up her white flour. Or her candy, and chocolate. Sigh. She could actually be the poster child for NEAT. Did I mention that the calorie level does NOT include her candy and chocolate?

At her request I worked it out for her once. She eats pretty much the same breakfast and lunch every day (~1200 cals total), the unknown component is the candy in the afternoon, and then has the same dinner that I do (since I make it and we do split it evenly). She'll usually join me with an evening snack if it's fruit, biscotti, or the fruit/yogurt sorbet I've been making. Oh, and then I believe more candy.
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I truly got into the concept of rest this afternoon. In the morning I dealt with the garden. The back yard really does take a couple of hours to water and do some trimming up. I definitely think we have too many pots! However it made for a nice two or three hours of wandering around, coming inside for water, back outside, whatever. And I was in the mood for music, so I hooked up the fancy laptop speakers to the iPod and turned the music up. It just felt like a great summer day, which it was. Decided I was in the mood for pizza for lunch so I made some. Very easy when you have the frozen par-baked crusts in the freezer, frozen turkey pepperoni, and canned tomato sauce all on hand though. God bless my compulsive canning/freezing heart!

It was far too hot to finish up the pots that I didn't finish this morning (they were on the sunny side of the patio) so around 3 I changed into my swimsuit and headed out to the pool. I spent the next three hours do a combination of swimming, reading, drinking (only 1 with alcohol), snacking and even pulled out the lounger and lay down on it for a while. I even rigged up a piece of towel over the sliding door so the cats could join me without the flies coming in (little one hates it when the door is shut and he's outside). Oh, they can still get in, but only a small obvious gap at the bottom, so there are less. We're actually quite good here, with few flies. However it's nice to have an evening where the cats aren't doing their best to kill the few that got in. Little one (Shadow) is actually pretty good at it.

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Total: 3029 (36% fat, 29% carbs, 32% protein)

Breakfast: chicken bacon, two fried eggs, cracked wheat oatmeal bread, grapefruit (549)
AM Snack: almonds, protein shake (344)
Lunch: whole wheat pizza with tomato sauce, turkey pepperoni, olives, cheese, boysenberries, raspberries, apple (525)
PM Snack: pisco sour, cheese ball, flat bread crisps, soy nuts, protein shake (596)
Dinner: baked chicken with tomato/wine sauce and cheese, zucchini, onion, celery, salad w/dressing (631)
Late Snack: cherries, protein shake (384)
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Hey - watch it! Nabisco says you can eat 100 cal packs forever. What will they do if people decide NOT to live on lean cuisine and 100-cal food packs? The executives might starve!!!
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That's hilarious about the fly-catching cats. Our cat loves to bring home chipmunks...alive...and then plays with them until they either get away (sometimes my girls do a diversionary action to help them escape) or die. Ick.
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I mean really, get rid of the lean cuisines and 100-cal junk food packs. You can't eat that way forever.
So true! I am also getting so sick of seeing "Trans Fat Free!" "30% Less Fat than Regular Potato Chips!" "Only 100 Calories A Serving!" or on potato chips "Now Made With Sunflower Oil!"

Great sunflower oil! Now I can eat the whole bag, right? The marketing ploys are amazing these days.

One of my friends has an ironic T-Shirt that says "Advertising helps me decide!" Its sad how much these little snippets on boxes and packaging really influences people.
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So true! I am also getting so sick of seeing "Trans Fat Free!" "30% Less Fat than Regular Potato Chips!" "Only 100 Calories A Serving!" or on potato chips "Now Made With Sunflower Oil!"

Great sunflower oil! Now I can eat the whole bag, right? The marketing ploys are amazing these days.

One of my friends has an ironic T-Shirt that says "Advertising helps me decide!" Its sad how much these little snippets on boxes and packaging really influences people.
But don't forget that most candy is "naturally fat free!!!" Gee, health food! (As an aside, I want to be your mother with her great metabolism and candy eating...)
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Hey - watch it! Nabisco says you can eat 100 cal packs forever. What will they do if people decide NOT to live on lean cuisine and 100-cal food packs? The executives might starve!!!
I think I like food too much to eat the frozen dinners for the rest of my life. Now, don't get me wrong, I make meals ahead of time and freeze them myself. I started freezing the sauces which is a nice change. I've always made large pots of meat sauce but the last time I was in the mood for curried chicken I made a batch of the sauce without the chicken (then divided it up). It worked out well and I suspect when I'm in school in the fall I'll try more things like that.

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That's hilarious about the fly-catching cats. Our cat loves to bring home chipmunks...alive...and then plays with them until they either get away (sometimes my girls do a diversionary action to help them escape) or die. Ick.
Since they're only outside with us there's little chance that they'll catch anything like a bird or a squirrel. One of our previous cats was a long-haired white cat with tortie points. She was declawed (ie. supposedly helpless) and killed anything that moved. Rabbits, rats, mice, squirrels, occasionally birds (she was pretty easy for them to see) and although she didn't bring it home (meaning it probably survived) one of our neighbours saw her messing with a ground hog once. Oh, I found an old picture of her (she was around 16 yrs old in this one). This was towards the end of her life when she wasn't as fastidious about her grooming (and tried to bite anyone else who tried). I suspect it's one of the few digital snaps of her I have.



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So true! I am also getting so sick of seeing "Trans Fat Free!" "30% Less Fat than Regular Potato Chips!" "Only 100 Calories A Serving!" or on potato chips "Now Made With Sunflower Oil!"

Great sunflower oil! Now I can eat the whole bag, right? The marketing ploys are amazing these days.

One of my friends has an ironic T-Shirt that says "Advertising helps me decide!" Its sad how much these little snippets on boxes and packaging really influences people.
Marketing is king. There are a lot of companies that would be out of business if we made more of our own stuff. We still buy some ready-made / processed items, but probably a lower percentage than the norm. I'm truly amazed how little fresh items I see in people's carts when I'm at the grocery store. I do understand the time constraints (I have way more at the moment than most), but I still did batch cooking / freezing when I worked full time (plus some), did school a couple of nights a week, and commuted.

Of course I still ate too much of it.

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But don't forget that most candy is "naturally fat free!!!" Gee, health food! (As an aside, I want to be your mother with her great metabolism and candy eating...)
I'm not convinced it's metabolism. She has been heavier (maybe 40 pounds when she stopped smoking) 30+ years ago. I look at what she eats and what she does and I really do think it has more to do with how she moves around than anything else. She's a scatterbrain (always has been). She goes to do a task, but oops, she's forgotten her hat... so she runs upstairs for it. Then on her way to do the task she sees something that needs doing, so she detours and does that. And then, she's forgotten something else she needed for the first task. This is not a function of age really. I remember her doing this when I was a child.

At her request I put the heart monitor on her for a couple of hours one afternoon. She typed email, supposedly rested, had a swim and still burned over 100 cals an hour doing less active things than say she's doing today. It's mainly because she doesn't sit still. That's why I made the crack about her being a poster child for NEAT. That is pretty much what she does all day... move around a lot.
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As an aside, I want to be your mother with her great metabolism and candy eating...)
I forgot to mention that I peeked this morning (ie. helped her unpack the groceries she brought home). This week's stash:

3 chocolate bars (~500 cals each) - 1500 cals
2 toffee bars (~500 cals each) - 1000 cals

And she jumped at a chance to refill my soy nuts at the bulk store (this was a clue), although to be fair she needed rolled oats as well.

~ 1-1/2 pounds mixed caramels/candies (?125/oz) - 3000 cals

Now, to be fair, I suspect that this won't be done by next week. She keeps a big bag upstairs and will dump the loose mix stuff into a bag that probably wasn't empty to start with. Same with the chocolate and toffee I suspect. As I occasionally help her bring in the groceries I know that at least a couple of items come in every Friday. And although I offered to pick up the things today (as I was going out) she declined. This is because she doesn't want to ask me to buy her candy.
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LOL!!! I love your Mother and I don't even know her. She sounds absolutely charming. I am a HIGH NEAT person too. My trainer calls me a "live-wire". I am not an ecto-morph but I can eat like one. I know I am not one because if I get in a real lazy mode for any amount of time I can pack on the lbs really quickly. For the most part though I just keep on going and going and going.
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Since the pictures are already on the blog of the trip we took together I'll post the two from her 79th birthday party. It was on a cargo freighter in the Arabian Sea. We had a BBQ on deck (there were two a couple of days apart) that featured a whole pig roasted on a spit. There was a second one 4 or 5 days later as the weather was just gorgeous and the sailing was smooth.

So, she's obviously the one in the red. The rather jovial man on the right is the Captain. The other two are members of the crew. It should be noted the the fellow on her left (Julius) was her dance partner for most of the nights there was dancing. Before he'd decided to train as a ship's engineer (he was the junior) he had been a dancer.


This was just a couple of shots from both parties. When I was on the trip I would pick a picture of the day and when ashore I would update a running blog of the trip. This meant we didn't have to call and/or email people along the way.


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And a shot taken at sunset on the night of the 2nd BBQ.
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I have to make a conscious effort with the NEAT. Sometimes I'm too lazy to get up and go to the bathroom and end up "holding it" for no reason. I wish I was a natural NEATer. LOL
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I have to make a conscious effort with the NEAT. Sometimes I'm too lazy to get up and go to the bathroom and end up "holding it" for no reason. I wish I was a natural NEATer. LOL
Me too. I know you can try and make yourself do more NEAT, but it's obviously more natural to some people. I prefer efficiency and so will collect everything at once before starting a task. She goes back and forth and burns more energy.

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Thanks. It was a wonderful trip, something I'll always be glad that I did. It was a plus that my mother and I did it together. Good thing it was a big ship though (at times).
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The pics are wonderul and your Mom looks like a real doll. Believe it or not I have to be consious about NEAT too. But once I get started on it, I can roll with it pretty well. LOL!
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Love the pics Anne! Your mom looks like she's a blast!

I too am a naturally lazy / sedentary type. If I don't pay attention, I can zone out on the computer or in front of a tv for hours... Until Leigh, I didn't really understand that one or two hours of tough exercise couldn't counteract sitting on my arse the other 22-23 hours of the day! I have to make an effor to move more, but it'll be worth it. And of course the bodybugg will help me be aware of it too!
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Believe it or not I have to be conscious about NEAT too. But once I get started on it, I can roll with it pretty well. LOL!
I actually would believe it. You seem to like the all out stuff a lot. A good run, a long bike ride, etc. I have to remind myself not to do things the way I usually do. Even if it's as simple as coming inside for some water (instead of throwing a couple of bottles in the outside fridge. Coming inside means going up and down the stairs.

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I too am a naturally lazy / sedentary type. If I don't pay attention, I can zone out on the computer or in front of a tv for hours... Until Leigh, I didn't really understand that one or two hours of tough exercise couldn't counteract sitting on my arse the other 22-23 hours of the day! I have to make an effort to move more, but it'll be worth it. And of course the bodybugg will help me be aware of it too!
I find even wearing the HRM around kind of pushes me a little. I've specifically left it off this week as I wasn't trying to move any more than usual. I think for a good part of the rest of the summer I will put it on most days. Not to use it as a calorie tool, but just to remind myself that if I'm seeing 60-something I should get up and do something.

I'll be interested in seeing how you do with the bodybugg. I was kind of interested in it (but at the moment it's just not going to happen). I have a real dislike of something that you have to keep paying to keep using. I can do all the data summarizing myself. I don't really want to pay someone $100 a year for a service I could do myself. I'd rather pay more for it outright, but that's just me.
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I am so tired, and I really didn't do anything today. It's interesting though that I do notice a huge difference on the nights I don't sleep well. It's been pretty good lately but last night I was still up at 3am. I was planning to run errands this morning but at 8am I was quite tempted to blow them off. There was a huge amount of thunder at the time so I got up. In other words I couldn't get back to sleep.

The morning started off with pouring rain but did eventually clear up although I wouldn't call it a good day. I took a look around the garden when I got back but nothing really needed water and I just plain wasn't in the mood to prune the tree that needs to be done. So, I grabbed the book I started yesterday and just sat on the patio and read for a while. It was nice enough that I stayed outside over lunch and while I was waiting for the bread I made to rise (more cracked wheat oatmeal bread).

See, a really boring, low energy day. And the sun barely came out, however, it was nice enough for a swim later on. My meals are planned for tomorrow so now I'm off to see if I can catch up on my sleep. I think we'll go for no alarm tomorrow!

Food for the day:


Total: 3039 (31% fat, 39% carbs, 26% protein)

Breakfast: chicken bacon, scrambled eggs/egg whites, chocolate pecan bread, jam, grapefruit (629)
AM Snack: almonds, protein shake (299)
Lunch: turkey sausage sauce with whole wheat pasta, apple (554)
PM Snack: pisco sour, soy nuts, cherries (347)
Dinner: hamburgers(2), roll(1), condiments, salad w/dressing (867)
Late Snack: cherries, protein shake (343)
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Old 07-12-2008, 07:14 AM   #594 (permalink)
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I knew there had to be a positive to all this perimenopausal forgetfulness. It increases my NEAT. When I forget to grab my purse, I have to run back inside and up the stairs to get it. When I forget to put my glasses on, I can't see in the bathroom, so I have to run and get them. Ha! One benefit of mind fog.
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Old 07-12-2008, 09:04 PM   #595 (permalink)
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I knew there had to be a positive to all this perimenopausal forgetfulness. It increases my NEAT. When I forget to grab my purse, I have to run back inside and up the stairs to get it. When I forget to put my glasses on, I can't see in the bathroom, so I have to run and get them. Ha! One benefit of mind fog.
There you go, increasing your NEAT! My mother however was always this way. I don't think that it's particularly worse (but who knows).
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So I got caught up this morning in a task I hadn't planned to start (thanks mom). My 'can you help a few minutes' turned into picking mulberries, hacking the tree to bits from the inside, and making jam. That said, it was a lousy day out in the afternoon (bits of rain again), so I actually decided to make the jam. I could have chosen just to freeze the fruit pulp.

So today was officially the last day of my rest week. I wasn't sure if I was going to extend it until tomorrow, but I think not. Technically tomorrow would normally be a rest day, so I'll do that, but drop the calories back to 2150. That will get me prepared for starting the lifting again on Monday. I'll do my usual Sunday weigh-in tomorrow and start back at it. It was a fun week. I'll probably go into a little more detail tomorrow once I can put a final weight to it.

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Total: 3040 (34% fat, 33% carbs, 29% protein)

Breakfast: chicken bacon, two fried eggs, cracked wheat oatmeal bread, grapefruit (536)
AM Snack: almonds, cherries (286)
Lunch: tortillas, mustard, smoked turkey, cheese, apple (655)
PM Snack: pisco sour, cheese ball, flat bread crisps, protein shake, chocolate pecan bread, jam (554)
Dinner: braised lamb shoulder, broccoli, butter, salad w/dressing (532)
Late Snack: cherries, protein shake, soy nuts (477)
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Old 07-13-2008, 10:33 AM   #597 (permalink)
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I decided to go back to regular calories this morning. Well, I really decided last night doing my meal plan, but I could have changed my mind this morning. It was a good week. I took a look at the daily weights and decided that I had accomplished what I set out to do. First, the chart:



The only real gain came on Monday. If you look at the last couple of Sunday weigh-ins this isn't unusual. I also think the Sunday weigh-in last week might have been abnormally low. I had been retaining water all week and made a point to drink more water on Saturday to try and get rid of it.

So in the end I think it was a good week. I've dropped my calories back to the usual Sunday levels and I'll move into Stage 4 tomorrow morning. The true results of this week will be how my weight loss goes over the coming weeks. I think the most interesting part of it all was that I could eat ~3000 cals a day and not gain weight every day. So it confirms (to me) that my current calorie levels are okay and the the heart rate monitor gives a reasonably accurate report of my overall calories burned level. We'll see how I think about this in another 12 weeks (ie. when I should do it again).
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Old 07-13-2008, 12:46 PM   #598 (permalink)
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Great job with your rest week, Anne!
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Great job with your rest week, Anne!
x2! Great Job!
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I made the chocolate zucchini cake yesterday. My husband and I both really like it. Thank you!
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