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Old 02-21-2008, 02:48 PM   #181 (permalink)
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Your workouts look really strong!

Regarding Ellie Kreiger, I've never tried any of her recipes, but have seen her show a bunch of times. I like that while she really emphasizes health, she makes sure to eat food that is still delicious.
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I'll be interested to hear what you think of Fat Loss III. I know it changed me/the way I work out when I did it.
Well, the psychotic part is I've already done it once last summer. I'm not sure why I want to do it again - i guess to blast fat, of course! I'm sort of dreading the pain, but hoping I will get great results.

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Thanks for the report! I'll have to look up the cookbook and check it out!

Glad to hear you have things planned out, and the Shawn is on-board with the plan. It makes it so much easier when you have that support at home!

I had to crack up at this statement - My DH tells me the same thing!!! Cuz sometimes, this calorie restriction stuff can put me in a FOUL mood!


Sorry to hear about your co-workers son - stuff like that just freakin' SUCKS!
Calorie restriction definitely puts me in a foul mood! I come home and all I can think about is getting dinner ready quick, before I devour everything in sight!

It was really sad and depressing at the funeral home. It made me feel like as far as it's in my control, I need to keep myself in one piece so no one I love has to go through that. Not that I'm a huge risk taker anyways.

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Your workouts look really strong!

Regarding Ellie Kreiger, I've never tried any of her recipes, but have seen her show a bunch of times. I like that while she really emphasizes health, she makes sure to eat food that is still delicious.
Thanks marygrace! I've never seen the show, since I don't have cable. My mom is always telling me how great it is.


Well we just had a huge eye-opener with the food scale. I did my drills, which felt very strong tonight, and then we went over to Costco. I always buy those gigantic things of mixed nuts. I decided to measure out a 32g, 200 calorie portion. It was tiny!!! I know how fast we go through those and its a miracle I lost any weight at all with the ten million calories of nuts I was eating straight out of the jar. Shawn was pretty shocked too when I showed him how much a serving is. Hell, maybe the "stubborn" leg fat isn't really as stubborn as I think. We'll just see.
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Sorry you had to go to the funeral home. Situations like that are always, eye-opening.
Good luck with your workout, today. I think it is super cool that you have such a great supporter in Shawn. He rocks.
Well, you guys have convinced me to suck it up and buy a scale. I think it will help and reading how ""off" the measurements can be to the information on the label, seals the deal. Especially you talking about the nuts.
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Well we just had a huge eye-opener with the food scale. I did my drills, which felt very strong tonight, and then we went over to Costco. I always buy those gigantic things of mixed nuts. I decided to measure out a 32g, 200 calorie portion. It was tiny!!! I know how fast we go through those and its a miracle I lost any weight at all with the ten million calories of nuts I was eating straight out of the jar. Shawn was pretty shocked too when I showed him how much a serving is. Hell, maybe the "stubborn" leg fat isn't really as stubborn as I think. We'll just see.
It truly is an eye-opener!!! Some days I'll have a 1/4 oz of nuts to add a little bit of fat - that's only like, what, 4 NUTS!!! In the past, I would have just grabbed a scant handful and figured I had the right amount!
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Sorry you had to go to the funeral home. Situations like that are always, eye-opening.
Good luck with your workout, today. I think it is super cool that you have such a great supporter in Shawn. He rocks.
Well, you guys have convinced me to suck it up and buy a scale. I think it will help and reading how ""off" the measurements can be to the information on the label, seals the deal. Especially you talking about the nuts.
Hey Ginger-
I do like having the food scale. I don't have to have that doubt in my mind, like am I really eating what I think I am. I've felt a little bit like I'm spinning my wheels the last couple weeks and I'm hoping the nuts thing will jump start me again!

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It truly is an eye-opener!!! Some days I'll have a 1/4 oz of nuts to add a little bit of fat - that's only like, what, 4 NUTS!!! In the past, I would have just grabbed a scant handful and figured I had the right amount!
I definitely grab more than a handful! I can't really trust myself if I don't measure. My appetite is kind of scary.

I moved things around a bit since I am still sore from Wednesday. Obviously I pushed myself because my hams and butt are tight! I am going to do an aerobic day today and weights tomorrow. I haven't used my weight set, which is set up at Shawn's house, in a while, so it will be cool!

Today: Gin Miller Step Interval tape, 1584 cals target

Food:
Breakfast: oatmeal w/blackberries & brown sugar (the serving of oats is a bit less than 1/2 cup according to the scale )
Morning snack: 1/2 texas thin crust pizza, celery sticks
Lunch: leftover salmon, collard greens, and 1/2 sweet potato
Afternoon snack: 1 can tuna + leftover shrimp & asparagus
Dinner: chicken breast and mixed frozen veggies

Totals: 1593 cals
41g fat 25%
140g carb 30%
166g prot 45%
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Old 02-22-2008, 03:40 PM   #186 (permalink)
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Hey Leah,
very sorry about the funeral home

Completely agree with you on the food scale. When I finally broke down and bought one, it made a HUGE difference. I started with a small, manual one and now have a big digi one that does oz and grams. It really makes a difference.

Good luck with which ever program you choose next!

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Hey Leah,
very sorry about the funeral home

Completely agree with you on the food scale. When I finally broke down and bought one, it made a HUGE difference. I started with a small, manual one and now have a big digi one that does oz and grams. It really makes a difference.

Good luck with which ever program you choose next!

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My food scale might be turning out to be my enemy! Tonight it told me I couldn't have as many vegetables as I wanted. The only thing it told me I could have more of so far is protein powder, one of my less favorite foods.

Yesterday's workout:

Fat Loss III A1

Giant set, 10 - 12 reps per exercise
Deadlifts, Explosive push-up, BSS, Two-point dumbbell row, 60 sec rest after whole set

145/12 BW/10 20's/12ea 20's/12ea
145/10 BW/10 25's/10ea 25's/10ea
145/10 BW/8 + 2 non-explosive 25's/10ea 25's/10ea
145/9 BW/9 25's/10ea 25's/10ea

Giant set, 20 reps per exercise
Deadlift off box, dumbbell bench press, walking lunge w/side bend, bent over row, 60 sec rest after whole set

95/15 15's/20 15's/20 45/20
85/17 20's/20 20's/20 50/20

Hanging leg raise

BW/9
BW/10

How could I forget how much I hated this workout the first go around and how bad it made me want to puke? I hate doing high-rep deads particularly. I felt a little disappointed in my conditioning, but I guess it is not supposed to be easy. My ass is in a lot of pain today, so this must mean it is doing its work!

Food for yesterday:
Breakfast: 2/3 cup oats w/raisins and brown sugar, 1 med banana
Post workout: 1 scoop strawberry designer whey, 1 cup milk, 1 tbls peanut butter
Lunch: 12 oz chili over baked potato
Afternoon snack: 7 oz chicken with mixed veggies
Dinner: 5 oz grilled steak, 1 cup homemade mashed potatoes, green beans

Totals: 2258 cals
64g fat 27%
269g carb 43%
165g prot 31%

Today I did some cardio per the suggestions in NROL4W.

Intervals:
3 min @ 5.0
1 min @ 7.6, 2 min @ 5.0
1 min @ 7.8, 2 min @ 5.0
1 min @ 8.0, 2 min @ 5.0
1 min @ 8.2, 2 min @ 5.0

Got off treadmill for 5 minutes, followed by 25 minutes @ 5.5.

Food for today:
Breakfast: egg, ham, and swiss english muffin
Morning snack: chicken breast
Lunch: chicken breast, 1/2 cup mashed potatoes, green beans
Afternoon snack: cottage cheese w/blackberries
Junk consumed while working and co-worker saying come on Leah, just have some of these onion rings with me: 4 large onion rings, 2 mini reese's pb eggs
Dinner: 3/4 cup spicy sausage & tomato sauce, 2 servings mixed stir-fry veggies

Totals: 1640 cals
60g fat 34%
125g carb 27%
152g prot 39%

Tomorrow is a rest day.
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Old 02-24-2008, 09:10 PM   #188 (permalink)
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Junk consumed while working and co-worker saying come on Leah, just have some of these onion rings with me:
See now, that's the part where I'd turn around, pull down my pants, bend over, and scream at them from between my legs, "Does it really look like I need some f'ing onion rings? Well, does it??" But that's just me and my lumpy backside.
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See now, that's the part where I'd turn around, pull down my pants, bend over, and scream at them from between my legs, "Does it really look like I need some f'ing onion rings? Well, does it??" But that's just me and my lumpy backside.
Okay that's what I'll do next time. I think that's my main problem in life - I don't moon people.
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Today is a rest day, so my calorie target is 1426. I have been much more careful about measuring stuff since I got my food scale and I think i can really tell a difference already!

Food for today

Breakfast: 8 oz orange gatorade, protein shake w/1 cup milk and 1 scoop cookies & cream
Morning snack: 1 can tuna
Lunch: leftover pasta, veggie & chicken skillet meal & 7oz chicken breast
Afternoon snack: 1/2 cup cottage cheese and 1 cup frozen strawberries
Dinner: McDonald's Grilled Asian Chicken salad w/1tbls dressing

Totals: 1466 cals
36g fat 23%
117g carb 30%
169g prot 47%

This week I should not be too busy so I'm planning to cook some stuff. I'm going to make spanish rice with spicy sausage in my crock pot, shepherd's pie, and the TNT taco skillet that Jane posted.
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Looks like you're doing well Leah. I've never made shepherd's pie but I've really liked the versions I've had. What recipe are you using?
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Okay that's what I'll do next time. I think that's my main problem in life - I don't moon people.
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See now, that's the part where I'd turn around, pull down my pants, bend over, and scream at them from between my legs, "Does it really look like I need some f'ing onion rings? Well, does it??" But that's just me and my lumpy backside.
Sounds like you've been watching too many Dirty Sally pr0n films again.
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Looks like you're doing well Leah. I've never made shepherd's pie but I've really liked the versions I've had. What recipe are you using?
Well I had some leftover mashed potatoes I made on Saturday. My version is going to be a cross between these:

Easy Shepherd's Pie Recipe | Vegetables | Quick, Delicious, Easy Recipes : RealSimple.com

Recipes : Steakhouse Shepherd's Pie : Food Network

The Rachel Ray one has too many calories for my macros and I wanted something convenient and quick, but the real simple one seems too salty.

I'm going to use:

1 lb gr beef
around 2 cups leftover mashed potatoes
1 large package of frozen mixed veggies, probably peas and carrots

Then I'm going to make my own gravy like in the Rachel Ray recipe with
1 tbls butter
1 tbls flour
3/4 cup beef broth
1 tbls worcestershire sauce

Sprinkle with 1 1/2 cups of cheddar to top it off!

Hopefully it will turn out good.
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Well I had some leftover mashed potatoes I made on Saturday. My version is going to be a cross between these:

Easy Shepherd's Pie Recipe | Vegetables | Quick, Delicious, Easy Recipes : RealSimple.com

Recipes : Steakhouse Shepherd's Pie : Food Network

The Rachel Ray one has too many calories for my macros and I wanted something convenient and quick, but the real simple one seems too salty.

I'm going to use:

1 lb gr beef
around 2 cups leftover mashed potatoes
1 large package of frozen mixed veggies, probably peas and carrots

Then I'm going to make my own gravy like in the Rachel Ray recipe with
1 tbls butter
1 tbls flour
3/4 cup beef broth
1 tbls worcestershire sauce

Sprinkle with 1 1/2 cups of cheddar to top it off!

Hopefully it will turn out good.
Looks good - and certainly a hearty dish for the winter months. I think the original was made with lamb, but for my skill and taste buds, ground beef will do just fine.
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Looks good - and certainly a hearty dish for the winter months. I think the original was made with lamb, but for my skill and taste buds, ground beef will do just fine.
Well hopefully it will be good for a weeknight thing. Here is the recipe I've been meaning to try when I have a whole day with nothing else to do.

Shepherd's Pie Recipe at Epicurious.com
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Well hopefully it will be good for a weeknight thing. Here is the recipe I've been meaning to try when I have a whole day with nothing else to do.

Shepherd's Pie Recipe at Epicurious.com
All I can say is those shepherds must be pretty upscale to have a well-stocked kitchen like that.
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All I can say is those shepherds must be pretty upscale to have a well-stocked kitchen like that.
Yeah - you can't make anything from gourmet anymore without going to twenty different stores to find all the stuff. I've had a subscription for around ten years and it didn't seem to be that way back then.

Today's plan is HELL drills after work.

Food plan:

Breakfast: 1 slice bread, scrambled egg, 1 oz leftover steak, 1/2 oz cheddar cheese
Morning snack: mixed nuts and raisins (pathetically small correct portion measured on the scale)
Lunch: spanish rice with spicy sausage and chicken breast (staying hot in the Mr. Bento right now!)
Afternoon snack: the rest of lunch
Dinner: Shepherds Pie

Totals: 1609 cals
73g fat 42%
118g carb 27%
126g prot 32%

The protein is a little low and fat a little high. If I'm super hungry after work I'll eat some blackberries or an orange.

Last night I got home at 9:30 so hungry people would probably be like - what drugs is that girl on? I was jittery and anxious. I drank a cup of tea, which helped a little. It sucked and Shawn commented that I am making myself miserable. I feel fine now, but this is the leanest I've ever been and this is the point where I start to ask why? My entire life I've always wanted great legs. But sometimes I start to think - Leah, you are 31 years old, you have someone who loves you and thinks you look great and the legs you want are taking a lot of sacrifices to attempt to achieve.
I think at this point the carrot is getting somewhere I've never been before and that's where I need to keep my focus. Nothing I've ever been really proud of came easily, and this effort is no exception.
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Last night I got home at 9:30 so hungry people would probably be like - what drugs is that girl on? I was jittery and anxious. I drank a cup of tea, which helped a little. It sucked and Shawn commented that I am making myself miserable. I feel fine now, but this is the leanest I've ever been and this is the point where I start to ask why? My entire life I've always wanted great legs. But sometimes I start to think - Leah, you are 31 years old, you have someone who loves you and thinks you look great and the legs you want are taking a lot of sacrifices to attempt to achieve.
I think at this point the carrot is getting somewhere I've never been before and that's where I need to keep my focus. Nothing I've ever been really proud of came easily, and this effort is no exception.
In this case, I think I would side with Shawn's point of view. I don't think it's EVER a good thing to be so hungry you are jittery and anxious like that. Being miserable just to be "lean" isn't a good thing. I know we all have our days where we have a hard time keeping on track, and feeling hungry, but, IMHO, last night you should have eaten something!!!

When you say "I've always wanted great legs" what, exactly, does that mean? Who says they aren't GREAT legs now??
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In this case, I think I would side with Shawn's point of view. I don't think it's EVER a good thing to be so hungry you are jittery and anxious like that. Being miserable just to be "lean" isn't a good thing. I know we all have our days where we have a hard time keeping on track, and feeling hungry, but, IMHO, last night you should have eaten something!!!

When you say "I've always wanted great legs" what, exactly, does that mean? Who says they aren't GREAT legs now??
I second this, even though I do understand where you're coming from, too.

(I was thinking something similar last night--hey, I got down to 139 and my goal is 135, maybe I could go to 130. Then I reminded myself that at 130 my cheeks start sinking in and I look 10 years older than I should and I simply can't maintain that weight without the kind of hunger you mentioned and just being in a general bad mood all the time. Do I really want to do that? So, anyway, just wanted to give you perspective on why I think that way.)
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I'm just going to agree with Tracey and Karen, on this one.
You should have eaten something, to get rid of that feeling.

You are doing a great job and I admire your dedication.
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In this case, I think I would side with Shawn's point of view. I don't think it's EVER a good thing to be so hungry you are jittery and anxious like that. Being miserable just to be "lean" isn't a good thing. I know we all have our days where we have a hard time keeping on track, and feeling hungry, but, IMHO, last night you should have eaten something!!!

When you say "I've always wanted great legs" what, exactly, does that mean? Who says they aren't GREAT legs now??
Hi Tracey-

Well I thought about this too. A goal like have great legs isn't very specific or measureable. How will I know when I have achieved it? When I've tortured myself sufficiently? Probably like everyone sometimes I'm happy with my body and sometimes not.

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I second this, even though I do understand where you're coming from, too.

(I was thinking something similar last night--hey, I got down to 139 and my goal is 135, maybe I could go to 130. Then I reminded myself that at 130 my cheeks start sinking in and I look 10 years older than I should and I simply can't maintain that weight without the kind of hunger you mentioned and just being in a general bad mood all the time. Do I really want to do that? So, anyway, just wanted to give you perspective on why I think that way.)
Hey Karen-
I have been wondering the same thing. If I ever do get to this "mystical great legs" body composition, will I be able to stay there relatively easily? In the past, the way I lost weight had obviously slowed my metabolism and I regained pretty easily.

I'm hoping that the way we are all going about this, eating more, lifting weights, doing HIIT to increase metabolism, means that maintenance should not be hard once we reach our goals. I guess that is part of the experiment.
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I'm just going to agree with Tracey and Karen, on this one.
You should have eaten something, to get rid of that feeling.

You are doing a great job and I admire your dedication.
Thanks Ginger!

You are right, staying on the numbers is good, but listening to my body and finding balance in my life is the most important.
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Old 02-26-2008, 11:04 AM   #204 (permalink)
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Thanks Ginger!

You are right, staying on the numbers is good, but listening to my body and finding balance in my life is the most important.
It is and I struggle with it, too. I think we all do.
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Old 02-26-2008, 12:25 PM   #205 (permalink)
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Last night I got home at 9:30 so hungry people would probably be like - what drugs is that girl on? I was jittery and anxious. I drank a cup of tea, which helped a little. It sucked and Shawn commented that I am making myself miserable. I feel fine now, but this is the leanest I've ever been and this is the point where I start to ask why? My entire life I've always wanted great legs. But sometimes I start to think - Leah, you are 31 years old, you have someone who loves you and thinks you look great and the legs you want are taking a lot of sacrifices to attempt to achieve.
I think at this point the carrot is getting somewhere I've never been before and that's where I need to keep my focus. Nothing I've ever been really proud of came easily, and this effort is no exception.
I agree with what the others above me have posted. What is the point if you aren't enjoying yourself? In the past, I have lowered my calories to the point where I was sort of miserable and basically stopped caring about food because I couldn't eat anything I really liked anyway. Yes, my stomach was flatter than ever before, but all I felt like doing was sitting around most of the time!

With all of that said, it is great that you realize getting the results you want will take hard work, but sometimes it's necessary to take a step back and assess whether the sacrifices you are making are really worth it.
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Old 02-27-2008, 08:50 AM   #206 (permalink)
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Thanks Ginger & MaryGrace -

I really appreciate your insights.

Yesterday I ate more and felt better!
After work I did ten rounds of HELL drills and two planks afterwards, one for 45sec and one for 40sec. The drills are so hard, but I am slowly making progress on doing them with a little more energy and getting in a few more reps of each exercise.

I had two very positive experiences yesterday that put me in a great mood. I went down to the boiler house control room and the operator said, how many chin-ups are you up to now? I got 3 1/2! I just felt like I was glowing the whole rest of the day with the feeling of accomplishment.

After working out I tried on some of my smallest clothes that I had bought at my lowest weight - a black leather mini skirt and these red Harley-Davidson leather pants with studs down the legs and on the waist. I didn't have to lie down on the bed to zip them up! I'm still not sure I could throw my leg over my bike in the pants, (well without splitting them anyways) but I'm getting there!

Plan for today:
Fat Loss III B1

Food plan:
Breakfast: english muffin w/pb and an orange
Morning snack: chicken breast and 1/2 serving mixed nuts
Lunch: leftover shepherd's pie
Afternoon snack: 1/2 cup cottage cheese w/frozen strawberries
Dinner: TNT taco skillet w/1 whole wheat tortilla
Post workout: 1 scoop vanilla prot powder, 1 cup milk, 1 cup frozen cherries - looking forward to this one!

Totals: 2060 cals
87g fat 38%
179g carb 31%
160g prot 31%

On the way home from work tonight I am stopping to get a digital camera for the March updates. I am getting Shawn to take my pictures on Thursday night and I will get my measurements on Sat morning and then we are going skiing in New York Sunday and Monday. I am really looking forward to it!
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Old 02-27-2008, 09:46 AM   #207 (permalink)
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I had two very positive experiences yesterday that put me in a great mood. I went down to the boiler house control room and the operator said, how many chin-ups are you up to now? I got 3 1/2! I just felt like I was glowing the whole rest of the day with the feeling of accomplishment.

After working out I tried on some of my smallest clothes that I had bought at my lowest weight - a black leather mini skirt and these red Harley-Davidson leather pants with studs down the legs and on the waist. I didn't have to lie down on the bed to zip them up! I'm still not sure I could throw my leg over my bike in the pants, (well without splitting them anyways) but I'm getting there!
That's just FANTASTIC Leah......you hot biker babe in your leather pants!

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Wow just read thru your log. Awesome work!

I wouldn't get that hungry again. I did that one time to get my skinny body and promptly began to eat myself up 130lbs.

My fanny will be the last to go and my upper legs...
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Old 02-28-2008, 08:10 AM   #209 (permalink)
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That's just FANTASTIC Leah......you hot biker babe in your leather pants!

That girl is hot! My all time favorite is still the chick on the pole though!

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Wow just read thru your log. Awesome work!

I wouldn't get that hungry again. I did that one time to get my skinny body and promptly began to eat myself up 130lbs.

My fanny will be the last to go and my upper legs...
Thank you! In a couple weeks I am going to go back to maintenance or a little above for a while to try to put on some more muscle. I think at that point I will see if I have managed to keep my metabolism going strong.


Yesterday's workout kicked my butt!

Fat Loss III B1

Giant set of front squats, underhand-grip lat pulldown, step-ups, dumbbell push-press, 60 sec rest after whole set

95/12 100/12 20's/12ea 30's/10
95/12 115/10 25's/10ea 30's/10
95/10 115/10 25's/10ea 30's/10
95/10 115/10 25's/10ea 30's/8

I never like front squats before, but they felt great last night - like it was easier to drop my butt down really low with the weight in the front.

Giant set of squats, wide-grip lat pulldown, step-ups, dumbbell shoulder press, 60 sec rest after whole set

95/20 70/20 15's/20ea 15's/20
95/20 70/20 15's/20ea 15's/20

Proud of myself here to get through all those reps!

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10lb plate / 10

I did not do any intervals. I need to try to work up to that, but I felt like I would throw up. We loved the taco skillet recipe. We just kept looking at each other and saying OMG is this good. But it didn't sit so great for an hour before weight lifting. When I came back from the gym I made a shake half the size of what I planned because I still felt sick.

Today is a rest day and I am meeting a girlfriend for dinner at a restaurant, which could be a little tricky.

Here's the plan:

Breakfast: prot shake w/1 scoop cookies & cream, 1 cup milk
Morning snack: 1/2 cup cottage cheese w/1 tbls raisins
Lunch: leftover taco skillet - yum!!
Afternoon snack: 1 can tuna w/1 tsp lt mayo and hot sauce
Dinner: 1 corona w/lime, grilled chicken salad w/1/2 oz jack cheese and 1 tbls dressing - I selected this off the menu already, but I will have to estimate the portions

Totals: 1472 cals
55g fat 34%
67g carb 17%
153g prot 42%
13g alcohol 6%

This is hardly any carbs for me and it will probably make me feel a little funky. We'll see.
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Old 02-28-2008, 08:22 AM   #210 (permalink)
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Looking up the Ellie Krieger cookbook, too! Thanks!
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