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Old 07-18-2008, 04:20 PM   #1381 (permalink)
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Portland Oregon or the great Pacific Northwest. Not many places in the world nicer in the summer than around these parts. I just took a walk with a jacket. LOL!

I wonder how many other Aug 4th folks we have on here?
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Old 07-18-2008, 04:46 PM   #1382 (permalink)
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Do you ever get light headed from controlling your intake vs. volume of exercise you are doing?
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Hiya Greg! Funny you should mention that. I am lately getting dizzy when I stand up sometimes. But my friend says that is due to my RHR being so low. He says it is pretty common as people get really fit that they cannot stand up very quickly 'cause the heart doesn't pump fast enough. Good for the race but not so good for resting and standing. LOL!!
Actually this has been happening to me lately as well. Mostly when doing the 4x12 workouts with little rest. My HR I am sure is through the roof. Only on occasion do I get that way when I stand up, but it does happen more on a deficit.
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Old 07-18-2008, 06:43 PM   #1383 (permalink)
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Was it Anne that predicted I would end up riding to work more than 1 time a week.
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Portland Oregon or the great Pacific Northwest. Not many places in the world nicer in the summer than around these parts. I just took a walk with a jacket. LOL!

I wonder how many other Aug 4th folks we have on here?
I go between loving our summers and hating them. We don't really have spring. It usually goes from winter to summer, then gets hot. Although it was cooler today (mid-80s) but oppressively humid. There's a chance it will just rain tonight and get better. Usually we don't get the hot oppressive days until August. They are great evenings though.

I'm not Aug 4th, but Jan 4th.
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Old 07-18-2008, 08:27 PM   #1384 (permalink)
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Portland Oregon or the great Pacific Northwest. Not many places in the world nicer in the summer than around these parts. I just took a walk with a jacket. LOL!

I wonder how many other Aug 4th folks we have on here?
Oh my Dad lived in McMinnville for several years (half way between Portland and Salem) and it was absolutely gorgeous out there. I loved going to the water through the mountains. Just gorgeous!
I think if I had a safe route and my weather was like that, I'd have a hard time not biking every day
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Old 07-19-2008, 03:38 AM   #1385 (permalink)
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Espi when is your special day? I turn 45 on Aug 4th.

Today or July 19

So, this means you have to listen to me as I'm your senior

J/k. No, it's funny.. always dreaded getting older and 50 does scare me a bit, but I just know I'll look better this year than I did before.
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Old 07-19-2008, 06:35 AM   #1386 (permalink)
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Just thought a bit more about the vacation eating thread and wanted to share it more with me. You are someone who has done a paradigm shift towards eating a certain way that is very typical for bodybuilders. And .. discovered that it fits you like a glove, to such an extent that you feel yucky when you eat differently.

That's an experience most others don't go through. Also, most people will prefer fattier foods over the diet fare that often tends to be low-fat and when they are partying/vacationing they will eat differently without getting ill. Or when they do, e.g drink too much it will be a temporary thing.

But what someone tends to eat is so incredibly loaded with emotions, that it gets a touchy subject. From 2002 thru 2005 I've been very low carbing consistently and still am in the low carb camp at 35% carbs overall . Over time it fitted me less & less since my bf% dropped and needs became different, also because I'm training hard. What I failed to see was that most people on the low-carb forums don't train and have way higher fat%s. So, often my recommendations wouldn't fit them as well as they fitted me. People with auto-immune diseases respond extremely well to a very low carb diet since it suppresses immune response which for them, is a very good thing as they have an over-active immune system. When they raise their carb intake, all of the symptoms come rushing back in.

Compare that to an athlete who starts low-carbing.. over time their performance will tank or even worse, they may get ill since that same immune system suppression will happen which for them is really bad news. That's what happened to me a few times. While my immune system is slightly overactive so that it can be good to lower carbs somewhat it is not good for me to do this continuously as I'll get ill.
Back in 2004 I got really scarily ill (spondylodiscitis) as I suppressed appetite with ephedrine and very low carbing for nearly a year and only last November I got shingles from overdoing it with training and once again lowering carb intake a bit more than was good for me.

Since then I've vowed to just listen to what kind of feedback my own body gives to me and not care a damn about what others think about my weird eating habits. Eat what makes me feel good and what keeps me healthy & strong, but also what makes me happy. End of story. Still not end of the journey as I'm sure that there will be more changes ahead in the future.

The only truly sorry thing that can happen is when people discover that 1 way of eating is what makes them lose weight and then get stuck in that mindset for the wrong reasons. Like how after a long time of low carbing your enzymes down regulate and even a small amt of carbs will make you swell up and gain weight.. people go nuts and flee back to induction levels. I'd not be surprised actually when the same happened to your fat digesting enzymes.. you're not used to fat anymore and feel icky upon eating it. That *can* be reversed.. amazingly I had the same experience last night when eating way more fatty foods in a Chinese restaurant than I had been exposed to for quite a while. Fortunately I was prepared and took digestive enzymes. My sweetheart even ran home (it's very close) and got me my enzymes that I'd left at home.

These things aren't well known by many. And those that are stuck into using 1 single way of losing weight are very hard to change (I was one of them esp when it comes to overdoing it in the gym) and I even got banned in one forum when I suggested that people might lose better weight when they applied the principle of refeeds & free meals (see Lyle McDonald's site Bodyrecomposition - Lyle McDonald ) . Diet = religion to tons of people!
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Old 07-19-2008, 02:03 PM   #1387 (permalink)
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I'm August 19th, AND I totally agree with you about our weather. I travel to a lot of places, and I'm never so content as when I'm home. I absolutely LOVE this weather, year round.

(I will be 32 in August!)
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Old 07-19-2008, 02:07 PM   #1388 (permalink)
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Hey Kara,

Glad to see your progress is still steady and not too painful.

I've been working in more cardio too. I NEED at least some ss in my life, lol.

I loved Espi's comments about getting stuck in one type of eating. You are such an inspiration in that regard because you have adapted your eating to your goals almost seamlessly throughout this process. It sure has been a pleasure following you along the way!

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Old 07-20-2008, 09:52 PM   #1389 (permalink)
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Old 07-21-2008, 12:52 AM   #1390 (permalink)
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Thanks again Espi for all your postings. 2 days ago I got on the scale and was down to 120 lbs. That might sound amazingly good to some but that is 3 lbs down from just .5 weeks ago AND the bf was the same. So I decided that my long bike rides were probably responsible and also perhaps the fact that I have been dieting down for nearly 12 weeks straight now. Your re-feed concept brought the idea to my mind to do a re-feed this weekend to try to stay ahead of the LBM loss game. I managed yesterday and today to get 2K cals in. I ate out so not quite sure of those but did my best guess.

This was supposed to be rest days but all weekend I spent on my feet painting again as well and today my nephew came into town so we did a bike ride. I think the ride was about an hour but it was nice and easy and we chatted quite a bit. Very fun. The weather was ideal for a bike ride or walk or to be outside today. Cool in the shade and warm in the sun. Blue skies abound. So I'll chalk the weekend up to some active rest and re-feed.

It will be very interesting to see what the scale has to say about all of this come Tuesday. I am not sure how long to hold out on the re-feed or even if it counts as a re-feed if I am still not eating at maintainance. (it takes me a few days to adjust to eating so can't do 2300 just yet) For now I will maintain. Tomorrow I am going to do a workout and see where my strength is and then decide what to do from there.

Since there are a lot of comments about how easy this has been for me I thought I might take a bit of time and speak a tiny bit about what I did today to prepare for this upcoming week. I just spent 3.5 hours in the kitchen after shopping for fresh vegetables, fruits and meats. I made 3 dishes and split them into portions and packed them in containers so that I have meals ready for me whenever I need them. It is easy to stay on a diet when great and healthy food is always there for you. Making the food always there for you takes a HUGE amount of effort.
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Old 07-21-2008, 06:23 AM   #1391 (permalink)
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Seems that you'll do well to eat at maintenance for a week, just like Bytsi did the other week. While you're dropping wt fast (happened to me a few weeks ago upon starting a new routine and trying to be compliant) , it's not such great news when most of that weight is water wt. Who knows... it might be muscle?

Been talking a bit about this in my own log too. For the next cycle I'll even experiment with the concept of only 2 sessions/week for my cutting phase. There's 2 conflicting views going on: should our deficit come from just diet , diet + training or just training harder (w/o change in current diet). It would just depend on how much stress is already going on in everyday life or how much training (including cardio) stresses your system. Recovery? How much of a deficit? How high is your bf% in the first place.. How much do you love to train (or love to eat ) . And so on.

Whatever we do, deficit has to come from somewhere. And how are we going to retain our LBM if we only want fat leaving? This is where the natural has to be really careful to not trespass the line of overdoing things the way a non-natural can do it as they are in a much easier position and won't lose LBM as easily.

One of the countermeasures is to make sure to eat enough when training. If I want to train hard, I'll need to eat even harder if recovery is important. Yet, that means the deficit will have to come from the rest days. There's where the trouble starts. The more you eat on a training day, the less you can eat on rest days.. unless you cut out 1 training days. This is where that new experiment of mine comes in.

How to apply it for yourself? It's great that you are now cycling more. But you GOT to eat more to cover those calories spent on cycling. All that painting of yours also requires extra food. Eat up girl! It's not about how fast can I lose weight.. it's about how to lose as much as fat as possible while retaining LBM. This can ONLY be done when you're not losing strength. Refeeds.. maintenance weeks are very important to make sure that doesn't happen.
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Old 07-21-2008, 06:42 AM   #1392 (permalink)
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As usual, good things in here Karla. I have my 41st coming up on July 31. I'm looking forward to it.
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Old 07-21-2008, 08:09 AM   #1393 (permalink)
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Hey Paula - you're only 2 months older than me!
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Old 07-21-2008, 08:23 AM   #1394 (permalink)
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Since there are a lot of comments about how easy this has been for me
Weren't some of those comments from you?
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