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tcoy777 · 06-05-2008, 07:29 AM

Thanks for letting me hijack your blog Karla. This helps. On my next bulk I will focus more on getting in more calories. I was a bit scared of getting to fat, LOL. I think I will try to stay around 2600 or just a few less for my cut and prep for the Chicago Marathon. I think being a slimmer for the race would be a good idea.

kfisherx · 06-05-2008, 09:28 AM

No probs on the hijack. Subject is a good one. I will not fear getting fat again during a bulk because I know how to bulk cleanly now. You can get fat if you eat a bunch of crappy food but if you eat good whole foods it is nearly impossible. (at least that is what I am thinking right now)

I too was planning to do the Portland Marathon in the fall. My goal was to be at near 10% bf to do that which is why I had started my cut at this time. I am reconsidering this goal now. I want to focus on maintaining my muscle mass and all the long distance running is just killing that for me. They really are conflicting goals and eventually I have to make a choice if I want to be good at building my body.

marthand99 · 06-05-2008, 09:46 AM

Thanks for posting your lessons learned, Karla. They're really helpful for a lot of us!

realcdn · 06-05-2008, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by kfisherx

You can get fat if you eat a bunch of crappy food but if you eat good whole foods it is nearly impossible. (at least that is what I am thinking right now)

I suspect no matter what you need to pay attention to macros. I say this because pretty much most of the 30 pounds I put on last summer and fall came from good whole foods. Just way too many of them. Well, combined with little to no exercise as well. I wasn't tracking but I'd suspect definitely more carbs and fat than protein.

RedLefty · 06-05-2008, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by realcdn

I suspect no matter what you need to pay attention to macros. I say this because pretty much most of the 30 pounds I put on last summer and fall came from good whole foods. Just way too many of them. Well, combined with little to no exercise as well. I wasn't tracking but I'd suspect definitely more carbs and fat than protein.

I'm not sure it's that big a difference, honestly. While the thermic effect of food (protein typically gets the love here) is real, it's not very big. Our bodies can turn any macro into bodyfat stores during a big caloric surplus.

And you're right, some people can easily get fat on "healthy" foods. Too much of anything is still too much.

realcdn · 06-05-2008, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by RedLefty

I'm not sure it's that big a difference, honestly. While the thermic effect of food (protein typically gets the love here) is real, it's not very big. Our bodies can turn any macro into bodyfat stores during a big caloric surplus.

And you're right, some people can easily get fat on "healthy" foods. Too much of anything is still too much.

I think it's more a case of some foods satisfying and others simply making you feel like getting more. I'm typically someone who doesn't sleep well. It's not new, and my mother is the same. My father was capable of sleeping through an earthquake though.

Eating late at night when I couldn't sleep was probably one of my biggest issues. Trying to be honest about it I do think I was eating out of hunger, not boredom. Dinner would be about 7pm and by 11pm I'd be trying to sleep and hungry. What I took would be either fruit or some type of bread/tortilla/cracker with cheese. If I was still awake at 1am (which I often was) I'd repeat the cycle.

Now I'm not saying that this was my only vice. Dinners were higher cal that I'm eating now, but last summer/fall I hadn't fallen back into my truly bad habits of the past. There were still occasional junk food purchases, but not much. The difference I see now is frequency of eating (more often) and types of foods. Dinner is still at 7pm, with a snack of fruit at 9-ish. At 10pm though it's a quick protein shake (just whey and water). This does seem to keep the hunger at bay, even the nights when I'm still awake at 1 or 2am.

So, it's not specifically the macros, but I do think keeping the protein levels higher does stop the mindless hunger eating. Of course I'm truly a big believer (now) in planning what you're going to eat ahead of time.

foodfromafar · 06-05-2008, 12:49 PM

[quote=kfisherx;563963]No probs on the hijack. Subject is a good one. I will not fear getting fat again during a bulk because I know how to bulk cleanly now. You can get fat if you eat a bunch of crappy food but if you eat good whole foods it is nearly impossible. (at least that is what I am thinking right now)
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That's what I'm thinking, too, Karla. If we fuel our bodies in a healthy manner, our bodies will work as their designed to do and be healthy. Obviously the kind of food we eat and the quantity make a huge difference.

Mahler · 06-05-2008, 01:51 PM

Hey, you don't put kerosene in a finely tuned sports car, right?
It will be interesting to see your results, dear lady.

kfisherx · 06-05-2008, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RedLefty

I'm not sure it's that big a difference, honestly. While the thermic effect of food (protein typically gets the love here) is real, it's not very big. Our bodies can turn any macro into bodyfat stores during a big caloric surplus.

And you're right, some people can easily get fat on "healthy" foods. Too much of anything is still too much.

While I agree with this 100% I want to point out that I eat at a 40,40,20 macro range because that is what makes my body feel full and comfortable. There are enough carbs and protein to fuel me and make me feel full and the fat is low enough that I don't feel like a slug. I would be suprised if anyone (even someone who is already overweight) could get fat (ter) easily by eating in this range. It is really hard. Then again I could just be talking out of my ass. It's all sort of new to me ya know....

kfisherx · 06-05-2008, 04:45 PM

Interesting workout hour just now. I went into town to meet trainer. He dosesn't show so I do my own workout. My warmup hit the shoulder rotator cuff injury that he says I have to rehab and then I did squats to warm in my quads.

After some time of waiting I figured he wasn't showing so I finished out the workout hitting the quads.

Warmup:
rotator cuff isolation cable flyes
3x15 each arm (1 plate)
fixed bb squat
3x25 (35lb)

squats
1x25 (45lb)
4x20 (95lb)

Building Lunges
10 to 1 each leg (bw)

Step ups
3x10 each leg (40lb)

And here is where all hell breaks lose. On the very last step up with my good leg I came down on the foot of the bench with my already compromised ankle and it twisted. There was an loud pop but no pain. That came when I tried to walk. Crap. I am worse off now then when I first did this. Just at that moment my phone rings and it is my missing trainer. He laid down to take a nap and ended up sleeping for hours. He felt terrible and told me he owed me big time. Then he asked what I did so I told him. When he heard about my ankle I could tell he was angry with himself. He gently told me that the building lunges should be the last exercise of the day because they make you weak. He then made me promise to ice and take anti-inflams and to call him tonight. I am sitting now with a bag of ice on a very weird colored foot. It is green and blue and purple with a big bump under the ankle. He also asked me to stop in on Sat and see him so he can look at it. Of course I got the "NO RUNNING" order again. .......sigh......

You know.... I could've just run this past week....

Bytsi · 06-05-2008, 04:47 PM

Awwww Karla!!! Your poor ankle! Ya know, you might wanna consider getting that looked at if it has a big bump & pretty colors and made a loud pop noise. You said you have a high pain tolerance - you coulda actually done something bad to it...

sigh...

foodfromafar · 06-05-2008, 04:50 PM

Owwiiieeee! Hope the ice, elevation and anti-inflammatories help your ankle feel better soon!

kfisherx · 06-05-2008, 04:50 PM

I actually considered that Bytsi.... Right now I just want to see how it looks overnight and how it feels. There really isn't much pain when I am not bearing weight. I can walk on it still with a limp so I don't think anything is broken. They really don't do anything for sprains outside of what I am already doing for it. Well maybe better drugs...

tcoy777 · 06-05-2008, 05:09 PM

sorry to hear about the ankle. I hate when you have things like sprains. They seem to take longer to heal then a break some times.

RedLefty · 06-05-2008, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by kfisherx

While I agree with this 100% I want to point out that I eat at a 40,40,20 macro range because that is what makes my body feel full and comfortable. There are enough carbs and protein to fuel me and make me feel full and the fat is low enough that I don't feel like a slug. I would be suprised if anyone (even someone who is already overweight) could get fat (ter) easily by eating in this range. It is really hard. Then again I could just be talking out of my ass. It's all sort of new to me ya know....

I'm not sure about chicks, but I know some dudes who could eat those ratios and still overdo the calories. It's possible. What you've done is found something that works for you, and that's all that matters.

That ankle is borderline doctor-visit-worthy, sounds like. Sorry!