[Lizanneh]

Originally Posted by sunshinekisses

Grain avoidance is also rather silly - unless of course they cause you digestion problems or you have an allergy that requires you to avoid them.

I think grain avoidance is just another way of getting people to eat fewer calories, which is the point that all of you are making. If I eat chicken, rice, and broccoli for dinner, I'm going to eat more calories than if I just eat chicken and broccoli for dinner, even if I fill my plate with broccoli.

Originally Posted by sunshinekisses

This is rather silly. You can eat whole grains throughout the day.

I was just saying that it's nearly impossible for me to eat the PN way because of the timing of my workouts. Berardi's materials seem to assume most people work out before breakfast or dinner.

Originally Posted by sunshinekisses

At 18-20% BF, you are already quite lean (assuming you are female?). Why do you want to get lower? For sport performance reasons? Are you about to compete in a fitness competition? Or is it purely for aesthetic reasons?

My waist was thinner when I was about 16% body fat and I aesthetically liked those measurements better. I'm certainly not fat now, not by a long shot, but my belly is not as flat as it was earlier this year and I'd like to get back to that. I also have been building some really nice leg muscles, but I can't really see them and would like my legs to get a bit leaner. I'm also in the Turbulence Training contest and while I looked too good at the beginning to win (in my opinion), I still would like to look better in my "after" pictures than I did in my "before" pictures.

Thanks for the input, everyone. I think I may just stop stressing out about nutrient timing and go back to a daily deficit or even use Eat Stop Eat to manage myself to a decent weekly average, which worked pretty well for me in the past.