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Originally Posted by bynari
I think the confusion is coming from people not making a distinction between the different types of fat loss programs people pick.
There's 2 types.
The first is the person who is out of shape, fat and probably hasn't trained before. Their primary goal is to lose the fat quickly with muscle loss really not even coming into the equation.
The second is someone going through a bulking and cutting phase. When they diet they need to maintain as much of the muscle they've added in their bulking phase.
The vast majority of regular people will be looking for goals that fit with the first type of fat loss diet. Confusion may arise from the recent events and discussion of FL1 vs Lyle's program as to which is best when in fact they are for different goals.
FL1 is for the first type of dieter who's main goal is to lose fat and isn't concerned about losing muscle. Coincidently though, as is mentioned in the book beginners who either have never trained before or who haven't trained in a while will put on muscle by doing almost any routine.
So for most people, and the type of person the book is aimed at FL1 will work well to build them some strength, some muscle, some cardiovascular conditioning and fat loss.
In fact nowhere in the book does it recommend the fat loss programs for experienced lifters aiming to cut up after a bulking phase. The entire argument in the nacho thread was really pointless. It was comparing apples to oranges.
It would be silly for a beginner to do low rep heavy weights to try to maintain muscle and lose fat at the same time. They haven't conditioned their muscles or tendons yet and they don't even know what kind of weights they should be lifting for 5RM.
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Hmmm ... you sound so reasonable and yet ... let me get my book. Ahh yes. You're right. It doesn't specifically recommend the fat loss programs for experiencd lifters aiming to cut up after a bulking phase. So far so good!
Lets see here ... page 198. "Lifter #4 Serious about lifting but seriously overweight." Reccomendation ... Fat-Loss II for four weeks. One week break. Fat-Loss III for four weeks.
Have you actually read the book? You can read the description of lifter #4 yourself but it seems like they would be the kind of individual that would want to keep all the lean muscle they worked so hard to get.
I do apologize because I am not an expert on the topic but when I look at FLII and FLIII it seems to be metabolic training that would cause lean muscle loss. Are they not?