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Originally Posted by karky
Isn't it true that a lot of people on ketogenic diets eat at a deficit even without controlling calories just because they feel fuller? That's my experience, + I've heard other people say the same. Of course, if you were to eat at the same surplus with a ketogenic and a "regular" diet, you'd end up gaining the same amount of weight, but I think it would be harder to get to that surplus with a ketogenic than a regular diet. And isn't that kind of important when it comes to getting regular people to lose weight? If I want to cut, I cut calories, it's simple. If I'm a bit hungry, I don't eat (unless I'm supposed to). but not everyone works like that and if you can find a diet that will reduce someones appetite so that they will naturally eat less calories, then I think that's great.
Of course, ketogenic diets have a problem, people love their carbs and it's hard to adhere to, but if you can eat like that comfortably I bet you'll eat less calories without thinking about the cals, and that's a good thing if you want to drop weight. Disagree?
Hale, getting 4500 cals with just fruits and veggies would be hard, but with eating a lot of bread, pasta, rice and lean meats I bet I could do it easier than I could with a ketogenic diet, now of course, I can't know that until I've tried.
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Protein is the main satiator in any diet. Match the protein between diets, and the variation of fat & carb between the diets isn't going to make a major difference in satiating effect. However, if you compare high-carb & low-carb diets with DIFFERENT PROTEIN CONTENT (which is what Taubes & the keto crowd do to support their religion), then obviously, the low-carb/higher-protein diets will prevail on a number of fronts. A distinction needs to be made between a) keto vs USDA pyramid, and b) keto vs a diet with sufficient protein, and carb content tailored to the individual's activity level and tolerance for carbs. My point is that individualization > blanketly prescribed keto dieting. In my experience with clients, as well as what's been seen in the research, I can tell you that keto is not the universal answer to weight/fat loss.