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Originally Posted by Jean-Paul

Lyle's post raises a few questions for me actually. He talks about their falling out... So is he saying that he has some sort of axe to grind?

Also, quite a few people (including myself) have wondered why Lyle gave blanket permission without actually reading it first, but apparently he did read it, and even has a copy of it. Maybe he didn't give Alwyn specific permission for WSFL, but it's obvious that there is more to this story than what we're getting on these discussions.

If he had so many problems with it then, why did he go visit Alwyn in CA later? What was this falling out all about? (Sorry to be so nosy, but I just don't have sufficient information)

Based on what Lyle's said, it's because Alwyn told him to stop contacting him because Lyle was pointing out errors in his shaky interpretation of research in order to hawk products.

Obviously Alwyn shouldn't have left out his attribution from WSFL, but whatever is going on, it's obvious there is some back story. I feel like I'm watching an episode of Jerry Springer where some bitter ex is airing dirty laundry.

That's about the gist of it, yes. This has been an on-going thing, with people (not just Alwyn) pirating Lyle w/o bothering to credit him.

Of course any time he brings it up, he and anyone that backs him is labeled a "hater" and we go back to throwing money at the gurus that are laughing at their customers all the way to the bank.

Funny how the ones trying to keep some integrity in the industry are "bad" and "little people". I like how that works.

EDIT: I know you didn't say this, JP, but some have been implicating or outright saying that Lyle and his "posse" are just being petty. Which is ridiculous.

My question for Lyle is this... What is the ultimate goal with all this? How far does he want to go? Does he want Alwyn to stop selling WS, does he want a cut of the action, does he want Alwyn to aplogize (again), or does he simply want to destroy Alwyn completely?

I have nothing against Lyle whatsoever, but since I don't have the privilege of knowing him, I don't really understand his motives, and that would help me get my brain around this whole situation.

Seems to be a simple matter of letting everyone know what really goes on with all the guru product-pushing.

Despite how "unprofessional" or whatever the line is this may be, it boils down to this:

Somebody's gotta say it, cause nobody else will.

It's a simple thing: if people stop doing shady things to make a quick buck, then the "hating" will stop too. Again, we blame the people trying to keep integrity in the industry as the bad guys, when the freakin' thieves are being looked on with a higher standard.

You see it in how a lot of people are reacting. "I'm not saying Alwyn's right, but...."

"I'm not saying black people are bad, but...."

See where that goes?

I think that's just as valid a reason as any, no matter how many people want to bitch and moan about bitterness, haters, or any other red herring argument that you'd care to throw out.